Live Conflict Israel-Palestine War|Regional Escalations

[Chocopie]

You seriously need to step away from a black and white rhetoric regarding the conflict. PKK has been raping, killing and slaying Turkish citizens for decades but are "heroes" in the eyes of the west and USA. Especially Sweden. So terrorist is highly "subjective".

Both sides have committed documented atrocities. Look up the Shatila massacre.

Personally I believe that both parties need to make concessions to reach common ground otherwise peace will never be a reality .

You need to do the same. PKK is on the terror organization list of US gov and EU since the 1990s/2000s.

US cooperating with YPG in Syria is a different geopolitical game. Nothing about idolizing PKK as „heroes“ by official state institutions in the West.

Sabra and Shatilla massacres were done by Lebanese Maronite christian militia, at that time allied with Israel. IDF never actively planned, organized and participated in the massacre. This incident happened as a revenge for the Damour massacre perpetrated by PLO. All factions during Lebanese Civil War killed each other like animals, and the different Palestine factions as refugees and foreigners have blood on their hands killing Lebanese people.

That could happen easily in Türkiye as well with radicalized Syrian and other refugees …

 

[Chocopie]

You have insinuating undertone (intentionally or unintentionally) which is not appreciated.

Not appreciated by whom?

That‘s not your call or judgement. The relevant mods will take care of should my posts or „insinuating undertone“ violate forum rules.

 

[Sanchez]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711415472040583430

Merkava cooking after being hit by atgm.

Am i the only one that thinks that is not a crew member evacuating but a militant dropping in munition?

 

[RMZN]

Am i the only one that thinks that is not a crew member evacuating but a militant dropping in munition?

Yeah, you can also see the video cut between 0:02 and 0:03.

 

[Ravager]

Rationally its imperative for the Palestinian side to never target civilians, it doesn't help them in anyway whatsoever. It doesn't contribute to any tactical advantage and at the same time it works to galvanise the enemies of Palestine.

The mass indiscriminate execution of the festival attendees was absolute ISIS/IDF style madness. Then parading the corpses around in Gaza chanting god is great is self defeatist, not just for palastine but for Islam itself. Why make it so easy for the enemies of Palestine to propagandise this war against Palestine?

You know every time a video comes out showing the IDF behaving like absolute savages it only works to the benefit of Palestine. The counter is true also, but the difference is the Israelis have plenty of global media to push their narrative, the Palestinians don't. So if the Palestinians commit 1 crime its portrayed like they committed a thousand and if the IDF commit a thousand crimes its as if they only committed one. Such is the nature of war when side has a massive advantage over the other. Which means the Palestinians must be more vigilant.

Pretty much everyone knows that the weight of violence is about 98% against the Palestinians and the 2% from the Palestinian side is pure retaliation.

Had Palestinians just targetted the isreali army, i suspect most of the world would just see this as self defence, arabs fighting against their jewish colonisers. But you give the enemy just one video of brutality and it will be used dehumanise your entire cause, which is to remove the oppressors boot from your neck.

We have been through all of that since a decade ago remember ?? And where it lead ?? More hawkish Israelis goverment succesion

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How come nobody react on this ?? Were Amnesty international was a phony organization ?? Hypocrisy at it's finest i see ..

Not religious! Why do you think both parties claim Jerusalem as their capital!!!

Please provide empirical evidence that this is not about religion.

Leave them be ... Sociology and emphaty was a hard subject in their society .

Don't feed the troll will you sir ..

I am more interested on finding rhe reeason why most the " morality champions " muted responses over Amnesty International statement ...

 

[Timur]

For me that isn't really the problem, the problem is they still in general treat us as the enemy. I don't have the energy to detail the many things the middle eastern Arabs have done against us, but they have in pretty much most cases tried to undermine us or side with our enemies. Take a look at libya as a recent example the arabs sided with the french, russian backed former cia agent warlord haftar against us.

In fact look at the east med situation nations that don't even have access to the east med like UAE joined the greeks/europeans against us.

Not so long ago a saudi fm pg said they were going to create a Kurdistan in southeast Turkiye.

We can forget a hundred years ago, easy. But the real problem is they still try to screw us today.

Even in the recent arab league they invite assad in and allow him to shit on Turkiye while we feed and protect about 10 million arabs from shia fanatics.

Even uae Greek lebnan and Palestinians together with Israel uniteted against their real enemy turkey

 

[Afif]

Am i the only one that thinks that is not a crew member evacuating but a militant dropping in munition?

I imagine if they were able to do to it in all the bases they uccesfully captured in early hours, Israeli army would have lost quite a few expensive vehicles.

 

[contricusc]

PKK has been raping, killing and slaying Turkish citizens for decades but are "heroes" in the eyes of the west and USA. Especially Sweden. So terrorist is highly "subjective".

The PKK is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union. They are not considered heroes, they are considered terrorists.

 

[Afif]

The PKK is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union. They are not considered heroes, they are considered terrorists.

Expect people waves their flags in European cities with police protection. And local politicians voice their support.

 

[RMZN]

The PKK is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union. They are not considered heroes, they are considered terrorists.

Yet YPG/PKK terrorists are more than welcome by European Governments and the US. Not to mention the straight up funding they get.

 

[McCool]

Don't you understand the meaning words of " bidding time " ??
If 80% moslem population of Indonesia who in faraway land dreaming of Al-aqsa liberation . How many more out there were share the same aspirations ??
Don't belittle ummah ...and yet never sold that word cheaply too ...
I might not seeing it in my life time but i sincerely believe it will be done like much i believe indonesia's ascendancy into 4th largest economy in the coming years ...

Salam ..

Year 2100, Moslem-majority countries surrounding Israel like Egypt will reach 224M people, and Iraq will be at 110M. They will be drowned under the sea of Arabs unless the Americans save them as usual.

 

[Gary]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711428171151667549

 

[Chocopie]

Expect people waves their flags in European cities with police protection. And local politicians voice their support.

Just like people waving Hamas flags and local politicians voicing their support. Or Nazis. Or Stalinists. Or RuZZian vatniks. Or anti-vaxxer. Or other totally weirdo groups.

Western democracies tolerate demonstrations of radical groups and organizations to a degree. Doesn‘t mean the majority of the public or governments support them. Liberal democracy 101.

Edit: Even for despicable scum like her.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711414946456543356

 

[Relic]

The extensive use of JDAMS over the coming days will be interesting to watch. I suspect that Israel will get aggressive with the airstrikes over the coming days.

 

[Relic]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711428171151667549

When you hold people hostage and threaten their execution, you have to expect that the adversary is going to to be merciless. I don't want to hear Hamas crying about innocent Palestinians being killed if they're eager to kill innocent people themselves... This one could get really, really juicy.

 

[Asena_great]

You need to do the same. PKK is on the terror organization list of US gov and EU since the 1990s/2000s.

US cooperating with YPG in Syria is a different geopolitical game. Nothing about idolizing PKK as „heroes“ by official state institutions in the West.

are you kidding me

here is your so called YPG general mazlum kobani or should i call him by his real name Ferhat Abdi Şahin

Ferhat Abdi Şahin and abdullah öcalan leader of PKK swimming together. Ferhat Abdi Şahin is considered as adopted son of öcalan

Ferhat Abdi Şahin ,your current YPG leader, in PKK terrorist camp doing his training as a youth

the US general shaking hand of Ferhat Abdi Şahin a PKK terrorist and current leader of YPG

The PKK is designated as a terrorist organization by the United States and the European Union. They are not considered heroes, they are considered terrorists.

then why Ferhat Abdi Şahin a PKK terrorist and current leader of YPG is considered hero ??

@Rodeo define off topic giving current situation and the region some topics overlaps

That could happen easily in Türkiye as well with radicalized Syrian and other refugees …

we are not blind to that

we know what to do with them

 

[Gary]

When you hold people hostage and threaten their execution, you have to expect that the adversary is going to to be merciless. I don't want to hear Hamas crying about innocent Palestinians being killed if they're eager to kill innocent people themselves... This one could get really, really juicy.

Actually, had you read my post here, including the now-deleted ones. You would've known that this is what I'm hoping them to do as well as what I'm hoping the IDF to do in return.

Long-term gain for short-term pain.

Please do what you want to do, we will do what we want to do.

 

[Chocopie]

The extensive use of JDAMS over the coming days will be interesting to watch. I suspect that Israel will get aggressive with the airstrikes over the coming days.

 

[Chocopie]

are you kidding me

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here is your so called YPG general mazlum kobani or should i call him by his real name Ferhat Abdi Şahin

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Ferhat Abdi Şahin and abdullah öcalan leader of PKK swimming together. Ferhat Abdi Şahin is considered as adopted son of öcalan

Ferhat Abdi Şahin ,your current YPG leader, in PKK terrorist camp doing his training as a youth

the US general shaking hand of Ferhat Abdi Şahin a PKK terrorist and current leader of YPG

then why Ferhat Abdi Şahin a PKK terrorist and current leader of YPG is considered hero ??

@Rodeo define off topic giving current situation and the region some topics overlaps


we are not blind to that

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we know what to do with them

Is he and YPG idolized in the West as hero as Slayer has mentioned earlier?
I know that US uses them as cannon fodder against ISIS and other groups in Syria. Washington will betray them and drop like hot potatos when their usefulness is over for them.

 

[Oublious]

Ther is 1 good news for us, the commandant of the Mavimarmara ship raid is dead, Eli Gunsberg. No mercy...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1711393373452374246