TR Land Vehicle Programs

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1454337252650373122

BMC made a remote controlled 4x4

 

[yakusha]

I would like to call it as Yörük Blok II

 

[Stuka]

BMC will be at SAHA EXPO with their ALTUG 8x8

 

[kimov]

Speeches from today's Land vehicle project meeting in Ankara (İnsansız Kara Araçları ve Askeri Robotik Teknolojiler Töreni)

 

[Stuka]

Tümosan Representative at IDEF about Pusat.

Pusat isn't just 1 type of Vehicle but rather a Family of Vehicles.

- Pusat 4x4
- Pusat 6x6
- Pusat 8x8

Concepts 2018.

Pusat 6x6 at IDEF 17 as Logistics Model.

Pusat 4x4 is almost 100% National.

- TMSN 310HP ( x5.2)
- TMSN Transmission (8+1 Synchromesh Automatic)
- TMSN Independent Suspension
- TMSN Differential (TÜMOSAN DIF-102)
- TMSN Transfer Box (TÜMOSAN TKU-102)
- TMSN MEKÜ (Engine Electronic Control Unit)
- TMSN TEKÜ (Transmission Electronic Control Unit)
- TMSN Wheel Hub (TÜMOSAN TEG-102)

Pusat 4x4 completed 5000KM road testing from 20000KM total.
Ballistic as well as IED Tests will be completed by early 2022, followed by initiation of Serial Production phase.

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Change of Appearance

Concept 2017 vs Prototype 2019

 

[Kartal1]

Very valuable and interesting article by our friends from @Oryx

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1458836014403829769

 

[TR_123456]

any news about aselsan korhan?

What kind of news do you mean?

 

[Combat-Master]

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

I know this is old news but can anyone confirm that morocco have recieved nurol ejder vehicles? In morocco it has never been official.

 

[Kartal1]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1462174508303982593

 

[Combat-Master]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1462174508303982593

Even though the S.Africans came up with the MRAP concept - they don't make decent vehicles it seems

 

[Era_shield]

Even though the S.Africans came up with the MRAP concept - they don't make decent vehicles it seems

I guess you could say...they mbombed out

 

[Saithan]

Tümosan Representative at IDEF about Pusat.

Pusat isn't just 1 type of Vehicle but rather a Family of Vehicles.

- Pusat 4x4
- Pusat 6x6
- Pusat 8x8

Concepts 2018.

View attachment 35394
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Pusat 6x6 at IDEF 17 as Logistics Model.

View attachment 35397

Pusat 4x4 is almost 100% National.

- TMSN 310HP ( x5.2)
- TMSN Transmission (8+1 Synchromesh Automatic)
- TMSN Independent Suspension
- TMSN Differential (TÜMOSAN DIF-102)
- TMSN Transfer Box (TÜMOSAN TKU-102)
- TMSN MEKÜ (Engine Electronic Control Unit)
- TMSN TEKÜ (Transmission Electronic Control Unit)
- TMSN Wheel Hub (TÜMOSAN TEG-102)

Pusat 4x4 completed 5000KM road testing from 20000KM total.
Ballistic as well as IED Tests will be completed by early 2022, followed by initiation of Serial Production phase.

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Change of Appearance

Concept 2017 vs Prototype 2019

View attachment 35393 View attachment 35396

While I have great respect for Tümosan on their contribution to Turkey and Farmers etc. And love them for the engine they developed to the defence industry. I wonder why they decided to go into the business of producing ACV.

Wouldn't it be better if they developed engines and offered it to all vehicle producers in the sector. If their engines gained same fame and reliability as MTU they could be singled out as the engine supplier for all TAF vehicle projects.

If they needed testbed they could get FNSS or Otokar to make it for them. I'd mention BMC too but they already have their own family of engines.

 

[Combat-Master]

Turkish Vice President @fuatoktay : "In 2022, armored vehicles will be delivered with domestic engines for the first time."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1464187219648954377

 

[kimov]

3 drones in one

 

[Stuka]

ANZATSAN

Anzatsan Mühendislik A.Ş. - Anzatsan Mühendislik A.Ş.

anzatsan.com

The Guys who participated in the Upgraded BTR 80s from MKE stand at IDEF

I couldn't find much on them. They seem quite fishy but somehow got to work with MKE which is interesting.

They build like Fake Props for Movies.
Leopard 2A4 Mockup for BÖRÜ

But they claim to have a prototype of what seems to be a copy of the German LuWa

> The have not posted since early 2019
> They have no LinkedIN page but like 20 Employees.
> They claim to be an Engineering Assistance Company,

How the hell did they get to work with MKE. They produce mainly Replicas which makes MKE look really bad.

I found a Interview in which Antalya Governor visited the Company.

Başarılı Firmalarımız Gurur ve Övünç Kaynağımız

Vali Yazıcı, Organize Sanayi Bölgesin de faaliyet gösteren Anzatsan Mühendislik firmasını ziyaret ederek, Antalya’daki başarılı firmaların gurur ve övünç kaynakları olduğunu belirtti.

www.antalya.gov.tr

Governor Yazıcı visited Anzatsan Engineering company operating in the Organized Industrial Zone and stated that successful companies in Antalya are sources of pride and pride.

Visiting Anzatsan Mühendislik Sanayi Ticaret AŞ, which operates in the defense industry, automotive industry and composite industry, Governor Ersin Yazıcı received information about the production activities and product range from the Chairman of the Board of Directors Hasan Kaya and his son Kıvanç Kaya.

(Even The Office looks like a Mafia Movie Set)

We Must Turn Knowledge and Accumulation into Value
Governor Yazıcı, who said that the companies in the Organized Industrial Zone value especially R&D and innovation in transforming their knowledge and experience into value-added products; “It doesn't make sense unless we support our knowledge and experience with value-added products and transform it into value.

The common points of the companies we visited are that they are companies that make a difference in their sectors by conducting successful studies focused on R&D and innovation. We must continue to work harder and focus more on R&D and innovation to improve our experience.” said.

Stating that they carry out many works in the automotive industry and composite industry, especially in the defense industry, Chairman of the Board Kaya underlined that they will continue to develop new projects in line with national technology and domestic production targets.

 

[Stuka]

Something seems to be going quite wrong with Land Vehicle Programs in the hands of FNSS.
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means an Expert but the given Dates cannot be achieved it seems.

- FNSS ACV-15 Modernization

The Infos on the Program are Sparse but no real Delivery in sight. with Changing Prototypes.

This is not that big of a Modernization effort as well.

- FNSS Pars IV

PARS IV 6×6 Özel Operasyonlar Aracının testleri devam ediyor

Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'nde Pars 6x6 Taktik Tekerlekli Zırhlı Araç dönemi başlıyor 6x6 Pars Taktik Tekerlekli Zırhlı Araç ile ilgili olarak

www.defenceturk.net

The first deliveries of Pars IV 6×6 Mine Protected Vehicles, which will be the first in the TAF inventory, will be made in 2021.
The initial 12 Deliveries were scheduled for 2021 but no Info as December approaches.

- FNSS Pars IZCI 6x6 and 8x8

PARS 6×6 İZCİ Seri Üretime Geçiyor

Toplam 36 aylık proje takvimine sahip olan ÖMTTZA projesinde 1 yıl içerisinde 100 aracın teslim edilmesi planlanıyor.

www.defenceturkey.com

In the ÖMTTZA project, which has a 36-month project schedule, it is planned to deliver 100 vehicles within 1 year.​

March 17, 2021

That means they have to deliver 100 Pars IZCI in 4 Months but no Info on that one as well.

- FNSS ZAHA

CEO Kurt says "These 3 ZAHA will be delivered in the first half of 2021" Yet nothing on that as well.

- FNSS KAPLAN MT

"According to the 2019 contract, FNSS and PT Pindad must jointly produce a batch of 18 tanks.
The first Kaplan is ready, and all of the remaining ones are at various stages of construction. It is reported that the two manufacturers will complete the assembly of the first batch of equipment by the end of this year.

During IDEF-2021, plans for the near future were announced.
So, a second order for 52 tanks should appear soon. They should be built and handed over during 2022."

Here we have no Information as well on the Current Status of the Kaplan for set delivered untile the end of 2021 and they are supposed to built 52 in 2022.
4 per Month!

FNSS STA Project

Silah Taşıyıcı Araçlar Projesinde İlk Teslimat Gerçekleştirdi

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı (SSB) ile FNSS Savunma Sistemleri A.Ş. arasında imzalanan sözleşme kapsamında yürütülen Silah Taşıyıcı Araçlar Projesi kapsamında ilk Silah Taşıyıcı Araç Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri (TSK)’ne teslim edildi.

www.defenceturkey.com

Even here the Serial Production started quite late for my thinking.

FNSS General Manager and CEO K. Nail KURT said, “Our Weapons Carrier Vehicles contract, signed between the Presidency of Defense Industry and our Company in June 2016, for the KAPLAN STA vehicles offered to the use of the security forces after the qualification tests were completed in accordance with the project schedule. It includes a total of 260 vehicles

The Serial Production Deliveries Started in 04/2020.

Almost 4 Years after Contract signing. Isn't this a simple 2x ATGM Carrier or am I missing something.

I have no Idea if I am overthinking or if there is a problem here.

 

[Saithan]

Something seems to be going quite wrong with Land Vehicle Programs in the hands of FNSS.
Don't get me wrong, I am by no means an Expert but the given Dates cannot be achieved it seems.

- FNSS ACV-15 Modernization

The Infos on the Program are Sparse but no real Delivery in sight. with Changing Prototypes.

View attachment 36434

This is not that big of a Modernization effort as well.

- FNSS Pars IV

View attachment 36435

PARS IV 6×6 Özel Operasyonlar Aracının testleri devam ediyor

Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri'nde Pars 6x6 Taktik Tekerlekli Zırhlı Araç dönemi başlıyor 6x6 Pars Taktik Tekerlekli Zırhlı Araç ile ilgili olarak

www.defenceturk.net

The first deliveries of Pars IV 6×6 Mine Protected Vehicles, which will be the first in the TAF inventory, will be made in 2021.
The initial 12 Deliveries were scheduled for 2021 but no Info as December approaches.

- FNSS Pars IZCI 6x6 and 8x8

View attachment 36436

PARS 6×6 İZCİ Seri Üretime Geçiyor

Toplam 36 aylık proje takvimine sahip olan ÖMTTZA projesinde 1 yıl içerisinde 100 aracın teslim edilmesi planlanıyor.

www.defenceturkey.com

In the ÖMTTZA project, which has a 36-month project schedule, it is planned to deliver 100 vehicles within 1 year.​

March 17, 2021

That means they have to deliver 100 Pars IZCI in 4 Months but no Info on that one as well.

- FNSS ZAHA

CEO Kurt says "These 3 ZAHA will be delivered in the first half of 2021" Yet nothing on that as well.

- FNSS KAPLAN MT

View attachment 36437

"According to the 2019 contract, FNSS and PT Pindad must jointly produce a batch of 18 tanks.
The first Kaplan is ready, and all of the remaining ones are at various stages of construction. It is reported that the two manufacturers will complete the assembly of the first batch of equipment by the end of this year.

During IDEF-2021, plans for the near future were announced.
So, a second order for 52 tanks should appear soon. They should be built and handed over during 2022."

Here we have no Information as well on the Current Status of the Kaplan for set delivered untile the end of 2021 and they are supposed to built 52 in 2022.
4 per Month!

FNSS STA Project

View attachment 36438

Silah Taşıyıcı Araçlar Projesinde İlk Teslimat Gerçekleştirdi

Cumhurbaşkanlığı Savunma Sanayii Başkanlığı (SSB) ile FNSS Savunma Sistemleri A.Ş. arasında imzalanan sözleşme kapsamında yürütülen Silah Taşıyıcı Araçlar Projesi kapsamında ilk Silah Taşıyıcı Araç Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri (TSK)’ne teslim edildi.

www.defenceturkey.com

Even here the Serial Production started quite late for my thinking.

FNSS General Manager and CEO K. Nail KURT said, “Our Weapons Carrier Vehicles contract, signed between the Presidency of Defense Industry and our Company in June 2016, for the KAPLAN STA vehicles offered to the use of the security forces after the qualification tests were completed in accordance with the project schedule. It includes a total of 260 vehicles

The Serial Production Deliveries Started in 04/2020.

Almost 4 Years after Contract signing. Isn't this a simple 2x ATGM Carrier or am I missing something.

I have no Idea if I am overthinking or if there is a problem here.

Could it be related to the post about domestic engines being used in the vehicles to be delivered in 2022?

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1464969160715350016

ZAHA passed mine tests and will be on Anadolu

 

[Anmdt]

"According to the 2019 contract, FNSS and PT Pindad must jointly produce a batch of 18 tanks.
The first Kaplan is ready, and all of the remaining ones are at various stages of construction. It is reported that the two manufacturers will complete the assembly of the first batch of equipment by the end of this year.

During IDEF-2021, plans for the near future were announced.
So, a second order for 52 tanks should appear soon. They should be built and handed over during 2022."

This is not related to FNSS.

- FNSS ACV-15 Modernization

The Infos on the Program are Sparse but no real Delivery in sight. with Changing Prototypes.

This one is likely delayed because the requirements have changed on the go, or Army has requested a review of certain things. 2 prototypes were different from each other.

- FNSS ZAHA

CEO Kurt says "These 3 ZAHA will be delivered in the first half of 2021" Yet nothing on that as well.

This one, i am not sure if they have signed the final contract but there is definitely a delay on the completion of the qualification tests. TCG Anadolu was delayed as well so probably Navy was cool.

For the rest, yes the dates are not meeting the deadlines explicitly told in the media.