TR Land Vehicle Programs

[mysndgn]

Turkish Vehicle Manufacturer Otokar has developed COBRA ll.

Introducing COBRA ll

 

[Reviewbrah]

Aselsan Korhan

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1339154663741001734

Not the meant for the same purpose but some similar features

 

[Hexciter]

Turkish Vehicle Manufacturer Otokar has developed COBRA ll.

Introducing COBRA ll

Once upon a time....

 

[Saithan]

Video telling that some of our export markets Uzbekistan, Georgia chose to make copy products and not JV.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

 

[Hexciter]

Does the OMTAS lauchers in the erected position all the time?

 

[Balamir]

Apparently, the customer country preferred RUAG's COBRA system as an automatic mortar system.

 

[dBSPL]

 

[what]

Relevant because of the rumours that FNSS Samur will be exported to Korea:

South Korea’s Hanwha partners with European firm to build M3 bridging vehicles

The South Korean Army is set to deploy European amphibious bridging vehicles under licensed production to boost its operational capability across water obstacles.

www.defensenews.com

 

[CAN_TR]

Relevant because of the rumours that FNSS Samur will be exported to Korea:

South Korea’s Hanwha partners with European firm to build M3 bridging vehicles

The South Korean Army is set to deploy European amphibious bridging vehicles under licensed production to boost its operational capability across water obstacles.

www.defensenews.com

Hyundai Rotem has FNSS Samur already on it's homepage, but Hanwha?

Maybe another project?

 

[what]

Both are probably bidding for the project.

 

[Costin84]

Both are probably bidding for the project.

The article says that Hyunday and Samur allready lost the tender

 

[what]

The article says that Hyunday and Samur allready lost the tender

Were in that case

 

[Costin84]

Were in that case

Sorry? I've read the whole article and that's what it says.

 

[what]

Sorry? I've read the whole article and that's what it says.

I mean that both were bidding for the same project and that Samsung lost it. Just corrected my previous statement.

 

[adenl]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345032256608489473

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1345041078970437632

Rumors that BMC will get the bigger chunk of the 8x8/6x6 contract for what at first sight appears to resemble a licenced South African design.

Would be a shame, considering FNSS has tested it's vehicle family for so long, kept improving it and even went ahead to create different versions. Especially the izci type vehicles just look phenominal. I also feel like the whole ordeal drags the process of putting a fleet of 8x8/6x6 into the inventory way longer on that it has to.

I know BMC bashing has become a meme by now, but it's hard to ignore what's going on. I'm personally actually a fan of the Kirpi vehicles, they really are a work horse for TSK's needs.

What variant will the 236 units be? Just regular APC or also specialized variants like the first 100 that went to FNSS?

 

[adenl]

The Turkish army should wait for an APC in the class of the boxer, technologically and modularity wise. The current Turkish APC designs are not groundbreaking and with upgrade plans for the ACV-15's and the Kirpi's replacing the M113 in infantry brigades, there should be no rush for a new non-groundbreaking APC, expect of course for the specialized roles.

And for the fact that BMC gets favored over other, more established companies, that has to do with the politco-cultural background of Turkey. Turkey is a hierarchical society and working together in Turkish politics is almost not done. The political leaders all have too large ego's and that is reflective in the way the Turkish politics under-functioned from 1938-2002, hence with the army needing to take control behind the scenes in order not to let Turkey get torn apart by both internal and external forces. There is very little if any horizontal power stratification in Turkish politics and upper-level bureaucratic and thus in order for orders to be effectively carried out, Turkish politics requires a more intimate and closer contact between the President, ministers and with upper-level bureaucratic managers, business leaders and the media than in more egalistic societies such as western-European ones. Combine this with a geo-politically rising Turkey in the 'ghetto' neighborhood of the world, the power structures need to be more vertically solidified in order for the power-structure to keep functioning with enough clout. Hence a presidential system and nepotistic style of rule is more effective than an idealistically (and naive) parliamentarian system and a egalistic but very cumbersome political descisionmaking.

Such is the political reality of Turkey.

 

[Stimpy75]

Kaplan and Pars vehicles shown to İraq defence minister

 

[AzeriTank]

The Turkish army should wait for an APC in the class of the boxer, technologically and modularity wise. The current Turkish APC designs are not groundbreaking and with upgrade plans for the ACV-15's and the Kirpi's replacing the M113 in infantry brigades, there should be no rush for a new non-groundbreaking APC, expect of course for the specialized roles.

dont put 8x8 vehicles at the same class, 8x8 can easily use 105mm as a light tank.. they are also around 37 ton if armed, compare to others, its a lot...

 

[Blank1]