TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Fighter_35]

If you followed the thread you would understand that the capability of the tayfoon was achieved years ago. If the state leaked the typoon then you can rest assure that its something more capable in the arsenal.

Don't worry, i follow defense news more than 15 years now!!
And I know that tsk does not release critical informations especially when we are under the risk of being called a terrorist state etc.

 

[dBSPL]

If you followed the thread you would understand that the capability of the tayfoon was achieved years ago. If the state leaked the typoon then you can rest assure that its something more capable in the arsenal.

Based on TAF's past practice, ballistic systems are declassified after 4-5 years on average. In other words, we see that after the distribution at the military unit level has taken place, it is somehow reflected to the press.

The J-600T system was announced 7 years after the start of the project. The BORA system was also announced after its canister was revealed in a photo published about a military exercise/audit. Again this week, the Tayfun system was incidentally(!) captured by the DHA agency.

 

[-Sinan-]

The law of terminal speed in atmosphere restricts any object’s speed.

Speed = √2mg/pr2C
where
m is mass of missile in kg
g is gravitational acceleration (9.8m/s2)
p is drag coefficient
r2 is diameter of missile squared
C is air density constant.

This is the formula for a a free falling object. In Balistic missiles you need to take consideration the horizantal speed when the engine cuts off.

This calculation is totally wrong. We know that Bora and it’s derivatives are quasi ballistic missiles.
Yes, in order to travel around 660 km in total and achieve an average speed of 4.3 Mach, this missile flies well in to hypersonic speeds in most of it’s trajectory. But towards the end of it’s mid course flight it loses a lot of momentum and slows down and dives towards earth gaining speed. But as all free falling masses it is subject to Terminal Velocity laws. It’s terminal speed, hence, is governed mainly by it’s weight and it’s shape ( aerodynamic structure related drag coefficient - please see below constants)
We can do a little calculation as well by assuming few parameters:
-let us say empty weight of missile is 1750kg.
-drag coefficient of missile is 0.1 (assuming missile is diving at 90 degrees
-Air density value is 1.2 kg/m3
-diameter of missile squared is 0.36
then the terminal velocity of the missile is 890 m/s = 2.6 Mach

If we can increase the empty weight to say 2250kg and reduce the missile drag coefficient to 0.05 ,
Terminal velocity becomes 1430m/sec = 4.2Mach
It is due to Terminal Velocity that you can have a person with special suit jumping from near stratosphere, gaining speed and travelling at near supersonic speeds until he hits denser air layers whence his speed decreases below 200 km/hour (belly down) and can thus open a parachute.

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About Drag coefficient... the problem is the vortex force created at the back of the missile hence the it can never be as good as steamlined body where no vortex is created.

More over air density changes with altitute.
P ≈ 1.29 kg/m3 @ sea level
P ≈ 0.232 kg/m3 @ 12 kilometers
P ≈ 0.001 kg/m3 @ 50 kilometers

We can't calculate it's terminal velocity with a simple equation. You need to know fluid dynamics.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

The main purpose of weapons is to provide deterrence. This type of missiles is to keep the peace with their presence. After the arrow is released from the bow, these systems will rain on the enemy in the sky of course, but no one wants the day to come when we will use these systems. Therefore, the presentation of critical systems at critical times is completely about the strategy of state's mind. An unknown system will not be a deterrent and it should not be forgotten that Turkiye will always keep the surprise factor in its hand. The Tayfun is neither the first nor will it be the last. The psychological damage that will be created on the other side also constitutes one pillar of the struggle and you can understand what kind of damage was caused with Tayfun BMs by looking at the Greek agenda. In other words, the system is provided with a 2 minute video to serve its purpose. What follows is a matter of the audacity of the enemy.

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is the formula for a a free falling object. In Balistic missiles you need to take consideration the horizantal speed when the engine cuts off.

Engine cuts off well before missile starts it’s dive. That is why it is also assumed to have a 90 degree dive as most missiles are much harder to intercept if attack angle is accute. Especially as the air drag start having an effect after 15000m, missile is almost at a perpendicular compared to the target. So it is actually free falling. (But guided by minute changes toward target by the fins)

About Drag coefficient... the problem is the vortex force created at the back of the missile hence the it can never be as good as steamlined body where no vortex is created.

Since we are not practising rocket science here, this is only an approximation of what terminal velocity can be and to show how much weight and drag coefficient has an impact on it. Exact calculation of this is too long winded.

More over air density changes with altitute.

Definitely. But it really is of any consequence after 15000metres. And when it really matters it is closer to an average value of 1 to 1.2. Within the formula for a rough result, it doesn’t have much of an effect unless you are trying to be precise.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

TRT World rocks

 

[Boz]

What do we have here...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583170330113507328

 

[Oublious]

What do we have here...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583170330113507328

Gezgin?

 

[akrepon]

This is Tayfun missile? Or totally something new?

 

[Radonsider]

What do we have here...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583170330113507328

I would say it's either Bora or Tayfun

 

[BalkanTurk90]

What do we have here...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583170330113507328

Yellow buttom cover like in Tayfun fire so probably Tayful but can anyone estimate the length of Tayfun based on this image ?
If we know length and weight we can estimate the max range of the missile .
To me looks like 8 meter missile longer than Iskander 7.3 but diameter could be smaller in Tayfun .

 

[Aloster]

I would say it's either Bora or Tayfun

I think it is old picture belong to first test of Bora missile at date March 2018

Sinop´ta ´Bora´ taktik balistik füzesi testleri başarıyla icra edildi - Akşam

Sinop´ta ´Bora´ taktik balistik füzesi testleri başarıyla icra edildi

m.aksam.com.tr

 

[Rodeo]

What do we have here...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583170330113507328

It's BORA missile test from 2017.

Watch the video at 1:51

 

[Osman]

It belongs to the first and only batch produced in 2018. And Serial Number B088 belongs to this batch. I mean at least 88 Bora Missile were produced in 2018. It was produced in November and has the serial number of 88. I think nearly 100 Bora missiles were produced in 2018.

According to open sources, the serial production of Bora started in the end of 2013 and it ended in december 2020. So 7 years of serial production.

2 times official figures have been provided: in 2017 (50+) and 2018 (72 missiles and 6 launchers for the first 100 days of the government, most probably 12 missiles per launcher is the target inventory)

My guess for the number of bora in inventory is ~600 + (54 launchers × 12 missiles:648 missiles or maybe ~700 +(720 for 60 launchers).

 

[Kedikesenfare]

I wonder why the TEL and canisters don't have test symbols

Btw, why only two canisters? Why not 4?

 

[dBSPL]

Btw, why only two canisters? Why not 4?

Isn't it better to carry 2? Higher mobility, a more distributed unit architecture, more missiles ready to launch in case one of the launch vehicles has technical problems or becomes unusable... As far as I know, unit planning is based on the number of missiles ready to fire. This means there will be more TELs.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583422276632207361

President Erdoğan stated that they gave the necessary message by implying Greece with the Tayfun ballistic missile.

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583422276632207361

President Erdoğan stated that they gave the necessary message by implying Greece with the Tayfun ballistic missile.

"Instead of trying to take part in the virtual universes opened by others, we seek to build our own universe."

This part is more important.

Turkiye axis.

 

[Lool]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1583425928520429569

 

[Cabatli_TR]

President Erdoğan: "We are now working to take them (The technology of Tayfun-like missiles) much higher level."