TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Ahlatshah]

BVR long range missile with folding fins? Has to be for Kaan.

And has to be a ramjet

 

[Strong AI]

SOM used to be from SAGE as well. It changed a bit now after 2022 but SAGE is still mainly an R&D facility, not a manufacturing one.

Yes i know, but did Roketsan exhibit Tubitak products in the past? For example afaik Gökdogan/Bozdogan was only seen at Tubitak Sage stand.

 

[Sanchez]

Yes i know, but did Roketsan exhibit Tubitak products in the past? For example afaik Gökdogan/Bozdogan was only seen at Tubitak Sage stand.

Again, SOM. Should be interesting to see what they've come up with.

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ROKETSAN General Manager Murat Ikinci: IDEF 2025 Defense Industry Fair

We will show ballistic, cruise, air defense and air-to-air missiles.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946125207220912317

 

[uçuyorum]

Yes i know, but did Roketsan exhibit Tubitak products in the past? For example afaik Gökdogan/Bozdogan was only seen at Tubitak Sage stand.

Maybe why Gürcan Okumuş left? There was something about resisting something they made being transferred to another company

 

[Strong AI]

Again, SOM. Should be interesting to see what they've come up with.

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ROKETSAN General Manager Murat Ikinci: IDEF 2025 Defense Industry Fair

We will show ballistic, cruise, air defense and air-to-air missiles.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946125207220912317

Then where is Akbaba? According to 2023 annual report of Tubitak, its antenna layout is ready. Does solid fuel Ramjet take longer than gel based fuel Ramjet?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Then where is Akbaba? According to 2023 annual report of Tubitak, its antenna layout is ready. Does solid fuel Ramjet take longer than gel based fuel Ramjet?

If you mean to develop; logically yes. Once you have mastered the ramjet propulsion, usually through liquid fuel systems, then you may tackle the problem of adapting it to solid fuel.
Solid fuelled missile systems are like glorified and fine tuned firework missiles. When you add to this a throttle ability too it becomes a very sensitive and intricate technology to develop.
With liquid fuelled ramjet, you have a fuel tank and fuel injection system to regulate the amount of fuel being burnt. Yet with solid fuel it is much harder to control fuel burn. For this reason, the fuel in Meteor is stuck to the inner periphery of the combustion chamber and can only be burnt when it is peeled off in layers in an ablative manner by special airjets. By adjusting the amount being peeled off the speed of the missile is regulated.

Meteor is a 3.7m long , 178mm diameter 190kg missile. Can be carried inside F35 and presumably KAAN too.
Gökhan needs separate fuel tank and is approximately 5m long, 200mm diameter, 300-400kg missile. How they are going to fit it in to KAAN’s weapon bays is a mystery.

 

[Turkic]

Meteor is a 3.7m long , 178mm diameter 190kg missile. Can be carried inside F35 and presumably KAAN too.
Gökhan needs separate fuel tank and is approximately 5m long, 200mm diameter, 300-400kg missile. How they are going to fit it in to KAAN’s weapon bays is a mystery.

Can Gökhan be as agile as Meteor with such size and weight? And how would these numbers affect NEZ?

 

[Sanchez]

Both Tayfun and Kara Atmaca now have 8x8 Derman TELs based on Mercedes Arocs. @Afif

 

[Strong AI]

Göktan

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946912756357067250

ASELSAN #GÖKTAN firing test

Rocket engine integrated into TOLUN to provide ground-to-ground strike capability,
Mission planning and firing with Command Control - Fire Control software and hardware,
Precision strike on long-range targets by opening its wings after separation from the DeltaV rocket

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Göktan

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1946912756357067250

Is this a "Himars" like system?

 

[Strong AI]

Is this a "Himars" like system?

Imo both systems are very different.

 

[TheInsider]

Is this a "Himars" like system?

It is equivalent to GLSDB.

 

[Strong AI]

It is equivalent to GLSDB.

Let's say same concept, but not equivalent. Afaik Göktan is larger, has different rocket technology and thus should have greater range.

 

[boredaf]

Is this a "Himars" like system?

Himars are equivalent of our TRG-230/300 systems, basically mobile rocket artillery launcher. As @TheInsider said, this is our GLSDB (Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb) equivalent. Which, I might be wrong but, only the second system like this as far as I know.

 

[Strong AI]

Himars are equivalent of our TRG-230/300 systems, basically mobile rocket artillery launcher. As @TheInsider said, this is our GLSDB (Ground Launched Small Diameter Bomb) equivalent. Which, I might be wrong but, only the second system like this as far as I know.

@TheInsider

Again, i don't write this to look like a smart as* and please don't get me wrong. But if you guys write it is "equivalent", then don't you think that someone, who is not familiar with the subject, will look up GLSDB and think like "Göktan will have same range, dimensions and capabilities"? Wouldn't it be more correct to write "same concept"?
Afaik according to the small amount of information we have about Göktan, it should be far better than GLSDB.

 

[No Name]

What is the difference between Himars and GLSDB?

 

[Pokemonte13]

What is the difference between Himars and GLSDB?

Himars is your standard rocket artillery with gps guidance GLSDB is a small glide bomb on a rocket that separates from the rocket after it achieved its altitude and glides in to the ground

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Himars is your standard rocket artillery with gps guidance GLSDB is a small glide bomb on a rocket that separates from the rocket after it achieved its altitude and glides in to the ground

So GLSDB has a bigger range than Himars like systems?

 

[Strong AI]

So GLSDB has a bigger range than Himars like systems?

No, GLSDB has like 150 km range (afaik) and Himars can have up to 300 km (afaik). Himars is basically just the launching platform for artillery rockets/missile and the range varies with the type of rocket/missile you launch from it.

 

[boredaf]

@TheInsider

Again, i don't write this to look like a smart as* and please don't get me wrong. But if you guys write it is "equivalent", then don't you think that someone, who is not familiar with the subject, will look up GLSDB and think like "Göktan will have same range, dimensions and capabilities"? Wouldn't it be more correct to write "same concept"?
Afaik according to the small amount of information we have about Göktan, it should be far better than GLSDB.

You're not being a smart ass mate, mainly because "equivalent" doesn't just mean exactly the same, it also means used in the same way, or has the same use or effect. You want me to link a few dictionaries? So, in this case, or any other cases that compare two military systems that does the same thing, the word "equivalent" is correct.