TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[Yasar_TR]

Unless it hit the radar, it wouldn't cause much damage mate, its warhead is tiny.

For a turbojet powered short range cruise missile it has too little amount of explosives.
Block 1 has 6kg. (similar to a 155mm shell) . Block 2 has 20kg. It has to be pretty precise when hitting a target though. CEP of better than 3m is needed for maximum damage. Especially on moving targets.

 

[boredaf]

For a turbojet powered short range cruise missile it has too little amount of explosives.
Block 1 has 6kg. (similar to a 155mm shell) . Block 2 has 20kg. It has to be pretty precise when hitting a target though. CEP of better than 3m is needed for maximum damage. Especially on moving targets.

It's a loitering munition that Baykar mislabelled for marketing mate, it should be fine for hunting tanks or artillery like how the Russians are using their Lancets but anything else is just upselling their product. It is also slow for a turbojet, 330 km/h is its top speed, 250-260 is cruising speed. Second one is the same speed as well.

Oh, and it seems Baykar lowered their range estimate of first one to 100 km on their website. It only stay on air for 20 minutes. Far cry from their 200 km and 1 hour flight time talk when they first revealed it. Second one is 150 km range with 30 minutes flight time.

That is what they will aim for, they could use it against ships to. Kemankes flying 5 meter above sea level hits the radarmast.

Thanks for the laugh mate

 

[Oublious]

It's a loitering munition that Baykar mislabelled for marketing mate, it should be fine for hunting tanks or artillery like how the Russians are using their Lancets but anything else is just upselling their product. It is also slow for a turbojet, 330 km/h is its top speed, 250-260 is cruising speed. Second one is the same speed as well.

Oh, and it seems Baykar lowered their range estimate of first one to 100 km on their website. It only stay on air for 20 minutes. Far cry from their 200 km and 1 hour flight time talk when they first revealed it. Second one is 150 km range with 30 minutes flight time.


Thanks for the laugh mate

It should do nothing with your opinion to dogmatic, zero vision and empathy. They can lower the specs and level it up it is irrelevant, the point is it can do more then it is designed and they are willing to do.


For someone you laugh to much, most of the American weapons are designed from fantasy. Fantasy is a must according to this book. Go educate yourself ...

American scientists talking about Skynet.

Wired for War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[boredaf]

It should do nothing with your opinion to dogmatic, zero vision and empathy. They can lower the specs and level it up it is irrelevant, the point is it can do more then it is designed and they are willing to do.


For someone you laugh to much, most of the American weapons are designed from fantasy. Fantasy is a must according to this book. Go educate yourself ...

American scientists talking about Skynet.

Wired for War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lad, what the f... are you talking about? This is a slow drone with a small warhead, yet it has a turbojet motor which would create a heat signature, the second this thing is detected CIWS that is designed to hit high subsonic/transonic speed anti-ship missile would shred it to specks. At best it is a diversion to create some space for real missiles, but it has to be dirt cheap for it to work as that. We barely see it glide around you are talking about sea skimming.

Sure, if we are talking about sci-fi coming real we can attach any possible scenario to any munition so long as there is theoretical possibility. How about it'll actually carry a smaller missile and shoot it at the ships? That's also possible in sci-fi setting right?

 

[Oublious]

Lad, what the fuck are you talking about? This is a slow drone with a small warhead, yet it has a turbojet motor which would create a heat signature, the second this thing is detected CIWS that is designed to hit high subsonic/transonic speed anti-ship missile would shred it to specks. At best it is a diversion to create some space for real missiles, but it has to be dirt cheap for it to work as that. We barely see it glide around you are talking about sea skimming.

Sure, if we are talking about sci-fi coming real we can attach any possible scenario to any munition so long as there is theoretical possibility. How about it'll actually carry a smaller missile and shoot it at the ships? That's also possible in sci-fi setting right?

You can fire 100 drone from different angle and engage the same time how many can it shoot down? Go read the book and fantasy a little bit

I will share a page what i laugh about that was in 2012 , most off the things did not happen but certain things did happen. Out off 100 idea 99 can be bs but that 1 thing can make it. Professors are writing things what you would not believe so keep going with laugh....

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010776941205336508

I think TUSAŞ's AYAZ should be like these two new Geran variants, available for aircraft in addition to RATO launch, still as simple as it can get. We still ain't sure if mounting AAMs will work as good as they wantt it to.

 

[Yasar_TR]

GÖKBORA ile Türkiye uzun menzilli hava-hava angajmanında yeni bir eşiğe hazırlanıyor — GDH

ROKETSAN tarafından geliştirilen GÖKBORA, görüş menzili ötesi (BVR) hava-hava angajmanları için tasarlanmış, ramjet itki sistemine sahip uzun menzilli yeni…

gdh.digital

Interesting about the Roketsan’s Gokbora missiles’s range being 185.2 km.

Either it has been tested and found to be the exact tested range; or someone is being facetious. Why else would you give such accurate and/or specific range information?
According to Murat İkinci, the missile’s motor is ready. It is due for test firings shortly.

It would be interesting to see how it will compare to the Meteor on the Typhoons we are purchasing.

The Gokbora is to have an Aesa seeker head. This is ahead of the current Meteor specs. New Meteor to be developed is envisaged to have an Aesa seeker.

As well as being used by Kaan and Ozgur f16, it will be one of the basic weapons of the KE too.

 

[Khagan1923]

GÖKBORA ile Türkiye uzun menzilli hava-hava angajmanında yeni bir eşiğe hazırlanıyor — GDH

ROKETSAN tarafından geliştirilen GÖKBORA, görüş menzili ötesi (BVR) hava-hava angajmanları için tasarlanmış, ramjet itki sistemine sahip uzun menzilli yeni…

gdh.digital

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Interesting about the Roketsan’s Gokbora missiles’s range being 185.2 km.

Either it has been tested and found to be the exact tested range; or someone is being facetious. Why else would you give such accurate and/or specific range information?
According to Murat İkinci, the missile’s motor is ready. It is due for test firings shortly.

It would be interesting to see how it will compare to the Meteor on the Typhoons we are purchasing.

The Gokbora is to have an Aesa seeker head. This is ahead of the current Meteor specs. New Meteor to be developed is envisaged to have an Aesa seeker.

As well as being used by Kaan and Ozgur f16, it will be one of the basic weapons of the KE too.

Would have been nice to see either Tubitak or Roketsan actually go down the Dual-Pulse road.

 

[Zafer]

185.2 km is 100 nm

 

[Huelague]

Either it has been tested and found to be the exact tested range; or someone is being facetious. Why else would you give such accurate and/or specific range information?
According to Murat İkinci, the missile’s motor is ready. It is due for test firings shortly.

First one is more likely. No one of us know the exact range, but it is assumed that the real range is way longer. My guess 200-220km.

 

[MonteCarlo]

GÖKBORA ile Türkiye uzun menzilli hava-hava angajmanında yeni bir eşiğe hazırlanıyor — GDH

ROKETSAN tarafından geliştirilen GÖKBORA, görüş menzili ötesi (BVR) hava-hava angajmanları için tasarlanmış, ramjet itki sistemine sahip uzun menzilli yeni…

gdh.digital

View attachment 79165

Interesting about the Roketsan’s Gokbora missiles’s range being 185.2 km.

Either it has been tested and found to be the exact tested range; or someone is being facetious. Why else would you give such accurate and/or specific range information?
According to Murat İkinci, the missile’s motor is ready. It is due for test firings shortly.

It would be interesting to see how it will compare to the Meteor on the Typhoons we are purchasing.

The Gokbora is to have an Aesa seeker head. This is ahead of the current Meteor specs. New Meteor to be developed is envisaged to have an Aesa seeker.

As well as being used by Kaan and Ozgur f16, it will be one of the basic weapons of the KE too.

It is the same range given when the missile first debuted. 100 nm which equals exactly 185.2 kilometers. They usually round down for brochures but someone probably converted it directly and forgot to round it

 

[Yasar_TR]

ROKETSAN Updates Maximum Range for MAM-L IIR to 40 km | TURDEF

ROKETSAN, in its updated catalogue for 2026, updated the range for MAM-L IIR glide munition to 40 km, a significant increase from the previously given 25 km.

turdef.com

Roketsan has updated the maximum range of Mam-L IIR smart bomb (Umtas missile sans rocket and with an IIR seeker) from 25 km to 40 km.
This puts the munition’s max range at the limit of most medium range Air Defence Systems. Gives better coverage to UCAVs carrying it.

IIR seeker will be a more expensive option. But nevertheless it‘s new range advantage can’t be pushed aside, when you think that standard Mam-L had a range around 8-16km.

 

[Iskander]

ROKETSAN Updates Maximum Range for MAM-L IIR to 40 km | TURDEF

ROKETSAN, in its updated catalogue for 2026, updated the range for MAM-L IIR glide munition to 40 km, a significant increase from the previously given 25 km.

turdef.com

Roketsan has updated the maximum range of Mam-L IIR smart bomb (Umtas missile sans rocket and with an IIR seeker) from 25 km to 40 km.
This puts the munition’s max range at the limit of most medium range Air Defence Systems. Gives better coverage to UCAVs carrying it.

IIR seeker will be a more expensive option. But nevertheless it‘s new range advantage can’t be pushed aside, when you think that standard Mam-L had a range around 8-16km.

I wonder how they managed to achieve such a significant increase in range.
Considering that this is a non-motorized munition, several options are possible:

1. Platform speed;
2. Platform altitude;
3. Reducing the weight of the glider;
4. Extending the wings.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same MAM-L with a range of 8 km. Later, it was increased to 14 km. Now it's 40 km.
That's a fivefold increase!

 

[I_Love_F16]

I wonder how they managed to achieve such a significant increase in range.
Considering that this is a non-motorized munition, several options are possible:

1. Platform speed;
2. Platform altitude;
3. Reducing the weight of the glider;
4. Extending the wings.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same MAM-L with a range of 8 km. Later, it was increased to 14 km. Now it's 40 km.
That's a fivefold increase!

Yeah, the good question would be to know if this IIR MAM-L can reach those ranges if launched from a standard TB-2, or if it’s only launched from more powerful plateforms, such as the Akinci and Aksungur ?

 

[Sanchez]

the good question would be to know if this IIR MAM-L can reach those ranges if launched from a standard TB-2

Most surely not.

 

[Oublious]

Why nobody have posted this one...

 

[Yasar_TR]

I wonder how they managed to achieve such a significant increase in range.
Considering that this is a non-motorized munition, several options are possible:

1. Platform speed;
2. Platform altitude;
3. Reducing the weight of the glider;
4. Extending the wings.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same MAM-L with a range of 8 km. Later, it was increased to 14 km. Now it's 40 km.
That's a fivefold increase!

It is a matter of aerodynamics and all the above you mention.

With a laser seeker head it‘s maximum range was essentially limited by the laser head performance. With an IIR seeker head that constraint has been lifted.
But like any free falling bomb, it’s speed and range is governed by it’s weight and it’s aerodynamic surfaces.
Of course it’s altitude from which it is released plays a major part as well. The higher the altitude the longer it will travel.
It’s surface material and drag coefficient is important too.
Initial release velocity, if being accomplished in rarified atmospheric conditions, will have a significant effect on the range as well.

Just to give you an idea:

Summary Of Factors Affecting Range for JDAM :

Technique	Method	Range Impact
High Alt Release	Released from 40k+ feet	High (initial potential energy)
Toss/Loft	Released during climb	High (adds forward momentum)
Wing Kit (ER)	Unfolding wings	Up to 300-400% increase
Guidance Control	Steerable fins optimize glide	Improves precision

Aerodynamic Wing Control for glide efficiency is very important.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Our officials either needs to stop lying or learn what serial production is. They have been saying Tayfun serial production is already ongoing since 2023 and now they announce that "they have started serial production of many new missile systems like tayfun and akata in 2025". So which one is it?

2023 interview:

Latest interview:

 

[Turkic]

Our officials either needs to stop lying or learn what serial production is. They have been saying Tayfun serial production is already ongoing since 2023 and now they announce that "they have started serial production of many new missile systems like tayfun and akata in 2025". So which one is it?

2023 interview:
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Latest interview:

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Different blocks maybe? (Block-2/3)

 

[Zafer]

Our officials either needs to stop lying or learn what serial production is. They have been saying Tayfun serial production is already ongoing since 2023 and now they announce that "they have started serial production of many new missile systems like tayfun and akata in 2025". So which one is it?

2023 interview:
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Latest interview:

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They should lie if they want to, it is part of the power game to look bigger than you are.

However Tayfun is not just one missile, it has 4 types as of now. Most likely the early versions are already way past being stocked up while the latest versions are just entering production.