TR Missile & Smart Munition Programs

[boredaf]

It should do nothing with your opinion to dogmatic, zero vision and empathy. They can lower the specs and level it up it is irrelevant, the point is it can do more then it is designed and they are willing to do.


For someone you laugh to much, most of the American weapons are designed from fantasy. Fantasy is a must according to this book. Go educate yourself ...

American scientists talking about Skynet.

Wired for War - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Lad, what the f... are you talking about? This is a slow drone with a small warhead, yet it has a turbojet motor which would create a heat signature, the second this thing is detected CIWS that is designed to hit high subsonic/transonic speed anti-ship missile would shred it to specks. At best it is a diversion to create some space for real missiles, but it has to be dirt cheap for it to work as that. We barely see it glide around you are talking about sea skimming.

Sure, if we are talking about sci-fi coming real we can attach any possible scenario to any munition so long as there is theoretical possibility. How about it'll actually carry a smaller missile and shoot it at the ships? That's also possible in sci-fi setting right?

 

[Oublious]

Lad, what the fuck are you talking about? This is a slow drone with a small warhead, yet it has a turbojet motor which would create a heat signature, the second this thing is detected CIWS that is designed to hit high subsonic/transonic speed anti-ship missile would shred it to specks. At best it is a diversion to create some space for real missiles, but it has to be dirt cheap for it to work as that. We barely see it glide around you are talking about sea skimming.

Sure, if we are talking about sci-fi coming real we can attach any possible scenario to any munition so long as there is theoretical possibility. How about it'll actually carry a smaller missile and shoot it at the ships? That's also possible in sci-fi setting right?

You can fire 100 drone from different angle and engage the same time how many can it shoot down? Go read the book and fantasy a little bit

I will share a page what i laugh about that was in 2012 , most off the things did not happen but certain things did happen. Out off 100 idea 99 can be bs but that 1 thing can make it. Professors are writing things what you would not believe so keep going with laugh....

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2010776941205336508

I think TUSAŞ's AYAZ should be like these two new Geran variants, available for aircraft in addition to RATO launch, still as simple as it can get. We still ain't sure if mounting AAMs will work as good as they wantt it to.

 

[Yasar_TR]

GÖKBORA ile Türkiye uzun menzilli hava-hava angajmanında yeni bir eşiğe hazırlanıyor — GDH

ROKETSAN tarafından geliştirilen GÖKBORA, görüş menzili ötesi (BVR) hava-hava angajmanları için tasarlanmış, ramjet itki sistemine sahip uzun menzilli yeni…

gdh.digital

Interesting about the Roketsan’s Gokbora missiles’s range being 185.2 km.

Either it has been tested and found to be the exact tested range; or someone is being facetious. Why else would you give such accurate and/or specific range information?
According to Murat İkinci, the missile’s motor is ready. It is due for test firings shortly.

It would be interesting to see how it will compare to the Meteor on the Typhoons we are purchasing.

The Gokbora is to have an Aesa seeker head. This is ahead of the current Meteor specs. New Meteor to be developed is envisaged to have an Aesa seeker.

As well as being used by Kaan and Ozgur f16, it will be one of the basic weapons of the KE too.

 

[Khagan1923]

GÖKBORA ile Türkiye uzun menzilli hava-hava angajmanında yeni bir eşiğe hazırlanıyor — GDH

ROKETSAN tarafından geliştirilen GÖKBORA, görüş menzili ötesi (BVR) hava-hava angajmanları için tasarlanmış, ramjet itki sistemine sahip uzun menzilli yeni…

gdh.digital

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Interesting about the Roketsan’s Gokbora missiles’s range being 185.2 km.

Either it has been tested and found to be the exact tested range; or someone is being facetious. Why else would you give such accurate and/or specific range information?
According to Murat İkinci, the missile’s motor is ready. It is due for test firings shortly.

It would be interesting to see how it will compare to the Meteor on the Typhoons we are purchasing.

The Gokbora is to have an Aesa seeker head. This is ahead of the current Meteor specs. New Meteor to be developed is envisaged to have an Aesa seeker.

As well as being used by Kaan and Ozgur f16, it will be one of the basic weapons of the KE too.

Would have been nice to see either Tubitak or Roketsan actually go down the Dual-Pulse road.

 

[Zafer]

185.2 km is 100 nm

 

[Huelague]

Either it has been tested and found to be the exact tested range; or someone is being facetious. Why else would you give such accurate and/or specific range information?
According to Murat İkinci, the missile’s motor is ready. It is due for test firings shortly.

First one is more likely. No one of us know the exact range, but it is assumed that the real range is way longer. My guess 200-220km.

 

[MonteCarlo]

GÖKBORA ile Türkiye uzun menzilli hava-hava angajmanında yeni bir eşiğe hazırlanıyor — GDH

ROKETSAN tarafından geliştirilen GÖKBORA, görüş menzili ötesi (BVR) hava-hava angajmanları için tasarlanmış, ramjet itki sistemine sahip uzun menzilli yeni…

gdh.digital

View attachment 79165

Interesting about the Roketsan’s Gokbora missiles’s range being 185.2 km.

Either it has been tested and found to be the exact tested range; or someone is being facetious. Why else would you give such accurate and/or specific range information?
According to Murat İkinci, the missile’s motor is ready. It is due for test firings shortly.

It would be interesting to see how it will compare to the Meteor on the Typhoons we are purchasing.

The Gokbora is to have an Aesa seeker head. This is ahead of the current Meteor specs. New Meteor to be developed is envisaged to have an Aesa seeker.

As well as being used by Kaan and Ozgur f16, it will be one of the basic weapons of the KE too.

It is the same range given when the missile first debuted. 100 nm which equals exactly 185.2 kilometers. They usually round down for brochures but someone probably converted it directly and forgot to round it

 

[Yasar_TR]

ROKETSAN Updates Maximum Range for MAM-L IIR to 40 km | TURDEF

ROKETSAN, in its updated catalogue for 2026, updated the range for MAM-L IIR glide munition to 40 km, a significant increase from the previously given 25 km.

turdef.com

Roketsan has updated the maximum range of Mam-L IIR smart bomb (Umtas missile sans rocket and with an IIR seeker) from 25 km to 40 km.
This puts the munition’s max range at the limit of most medium range Air Defence Systems. Gives better coverage to UCAVs carrying it.

IIR seeker will be a more expensive option. But nevertheless it‘s new range advantage can’t be pushed aside, when you think that standard Mam-L had a range around 8-16km.

 

[Iskander]

ROKETSAN Updates Maximum Range for MAM-L IIR to 40 km | TURDEF

ROKETSAN, in its updated catalogue for 2026, updated the range for MAM-L IIR glide munition to 40 km, a significant increase from the previously given 25 km.

turdef.com

Roketsan has updated the maximum range of Mam-L IIR smart bomb (Umtas missile sans rocket and with an IIR seeker) from 25 km to 40 km.
This puts the munition’s max range at the limit of most medium range Air Defence Systems. Gives better coverage to UCAVs carrying it.

IIR seeker will be a more expensive option. But nevertheless it‘s new range advantage can’t be pushed aside, when you think that standard Mam-L had a range around 8-16km.

I wonder how they managed to achieve such a significant increase in range.
Considering that this is a non-motorized munition, several options are possible:

1. Platform speed;
2. Platform altitude;
3. Reducing the weight of the glider;
4. Extending the wings.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same MAM-L with a range of 8 km. Later, it was increased to 14 km. Now it's 40 km.
That's a fivefold increase!

 

[I_Love_F16]

I wonder how they managed to achieve such a significant increase in range.
Considering that this is a non-motorized munition, several options are possible:

1. Platform speed;
2. Platform altitude;
3. Reducing the weight of the glider;
4. Extending the wings.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same MAM-L with a range of 8 km. Later, it was increased to 14 km. Now it's 40 km.
That's a fivefold increase!

Yeah, the good question would be to know if this IIR MAM-L can reach those ranges if launched from a standard TB-2, or if it’s only launched from more powerful plateforms, such as the Akinci and Aksungur ?

 

[Sanchez]

the good question would be to know if this IIR MAM-L can reach those ranges if launched from a standard TB-2

Most surely not.

 

[Oublious]

Why nobody have posted this one...

 

[Yasar_TR]

I wonder how they managed to achieve such a significant increase in range.
Considering that this is a non-motorized munition, several options are possible:

1. Platform speed;
2. Platform altitude;
3. Reducing the weight of the glider;
4. Extending the wings.

If I'm not mistaken, this is the same MAM-L with a range of 8 km. Later, it was increased to 14 km. Now it's 40 km.
That's a fivefold increase!

It is a matter of aerodynamics and all the above you mention.

With a laser seeker head it‘s maximum range was essentially limited by the laser head performance. With an IIR seeker head that constraint has been lifted.
But like any free falling bomb, it’s speed and range is governed by it’s weight and it’s aerodynamic surfaces.
Of course it’s altitude from which it is released plays a major part as well. The higher the altitude the longer it will travel.
It’s surface material and drag coefficient is important too.
Initial release velocity, if being accomplished in rarified atmospheric conditions, will have a significant effect on the range as well.

Just to give you an idea:

Summary Of Factors Affecting Range for JDAM :

Technique	Method	Range Impact
High Alt Release	Released from 40k+ feet	High (initial potential energy)
Toss/Loft	Released during climb	High (adds forward momentum)
Wing Kit (ER)	Unfolding wings	Up to 300-400% increase
Guidance Control	Steerable fins optimize glide	Improves precision

Aerodynamic Wing Control for glide efficiency is very important.

 

[MonteCarlo]

Our officials either needs to stop lying or learn what serial production is. They have been saying Tayfun serial production is already ongoing since 2023 and now they announce that "they have started serial production of many new missile systems like tayfun and akata in 2025". So which one is it?

2023 interview:

Latest interview:

 

[Turkic]

Our officials either needs to stop lying or learn what serial production is. They have been saying Tayfun serial production is already ongoing since 2023 and now they announce that "they have started serial production of many new missile systems like tayfun and akata in 2025". So which one is it?

2023 interview:
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Latest interview:

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Different blocks maybe? (Block-2/3)

 

[Zafer]

Our officials either needs to stop lying or learn what serial production is. They have been saying Tayfun serial production is already ongoing since 2023 and now they announce that "they have started serial production of many new missile systems like tayfun and akata in 2025". So which one is it?

2023 interview:
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Latest interview:

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They should lie if they want to, it is part of the power game to look bigger than you are.

However Tayfun is not just one missile, it has 4 types as of now. Most likely the early versions are already way past being stocked up while the latest versions are just entering production.

 

[TR_123456]

Our officials either needs to stop lying or learn what serial production is. They have been saying Tayfun serial production is already ongoing since 2023 and now they announce that "they have started serial production of many new missile systems like tayfun and akata in 2025". So which one is it?

2023 interview:
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Latest interview:

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''TAYFUNún seri üretimleri devam ediyor''

What does the above tell you?

 

[Yasar_TR]

Our officials either needs to stop lying or learn what serial production is. They have been saying Tayfun serial production is already ongoing since 2023 and now they announce that "they have started serial production of many new missile systems like tayfun and akata in 2025". So which one is it?

2023 interview:
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Latest interview:

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When a factory or a new production line is set up, there is a notion called Low Rate Initial Production (LRIP) that is put in to motion.
This allows the factory to weigh the eco system that is set up to produce the product and iron out imperfections within the production line and the supply chain to provide unbroken supply line.

As well as this, there is going to be a family of missiles in the Tayfun range. So to get all parameters correct and in place will have taken time. There is nothing untoward that in the statements made by the officials.

 

[Pokemonte13]

To be fair i also think Tayfun entered service in somewhat large numbers last year because we saw the proper launcher vehicle and not some special single launcher that were used from 2020 to 2024 to conduct the test.

Test vehicle

Service ready Launcher