@Anmdt
I think the price is not correct, the ship with sensor package would cost 400m dollar, with weapon package it could cost maybe 700 to 800 million dollar. Still cheaper then the France.
700-800 million for a 3 000 ton frigate? Pakistan got 4 corvettes for 1.5 billion, so 375 dollar each ship. I-class will probably be around 400 million pricetag.@Anmdt
I think the price is not correct, the ship with sensor package would cost 400m dollar, with weapon package it could cost maybe 700 to 800 million dollar. Still cheaper then the France.
It won't be more than 400-450 excluding the missiles in the VLS. But the inflation et al. reasons, it is better to wait the bidding to be concluded.@Anmdt
I think the price is not correct, the ship with sensor package would cost 400m dollar, with weapon package it could cost maybe 700 to 800 million dollar. Still cheaper then the France.
With air defense missiles it may cost more, but it will definitely will not exceed 500-550.700-800 million for a 3 000 ton frigate? Pakistan got 4 corvettes for 1.5 billion, so 375 dollar each ship. I-class will probably be around 400 million pricetag.
700-800 million for a 3 000 ton frigate? Pakistan got 4 corvettes for 1.5 billion, so 375 dollar each ship. I-class will probably be around 400 million pricetag.
The price and some of the specifications of the Hellenic FDI are inaccurate.
The FDI will have aster 30 block 1NT missiles? Block 1 NT might be the reason of expensive price. 4 huge, fixed panel AESA radars are also not cheap.The price and some of the specifications of the Hellenic FDI are inaccurate.
E.g. the cost of the program(3 ships, armament, training, 3 years FOS) is 3 bil €.
Hellenic FDI will have...The FDI will have aster 30 block 1NT missiles? Block 1 NT might be the reason of expensive price.
Aster 15*Hellenic FDI will have...
French FDI will have......
- up to 32 ASTER 30 surface-to-air missile
- 21-cell launcher of RAM Block 2B surface-to-air missiles
- 8 Exocet MM-40 Block 3
- 2 EuroTorp MU90 Impact torpedoes
- Canto decoys system
- Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid gun(mounted in stealth cupola)
- up to 16 ASTER 30 surface-to-air missile
- 8 Exocet MM-40 Block 3
- 2 EuroTorp MU90 Impact torpedoes
- Canto decoys system
- Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid gun(mounted in stealth cupola)
I didn't ask about ASTER-30, i wondered if the deal included ASTER30 block 1 NT which is totally different. I hope you are aware about the block 1NT.French FDI will have......
- up to 16 ASTER 30 surface-to-air missile
What about powerpack ? Same or not ?Hellenic FDI will have...
French FDI will have......
- up to 32 ASTER 30 surface-to-air missile
- 21-cell launcher of RAM Block 2B surface-to-air missiles
- 8 Exocet MM-40 Block 3
- 2 EuroTorp MU90 Impact torpedoes
- Canto decoys system
- Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid gun(mounted in stealth cupola)
- up to 16 ASTER 30 surface-to-air missile
- 8 Exocet MM-40 Block 3
- 2 EuroTorp MU90 Impact torpedoes
- Canto decoys system
- Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid gun(mounted in stealth cupola)
ASTER 30 block 1 NT is under development, while there is no more information on what exactly the armament will bring.I didn't ask about ASTER-30, i wondered if the deal included ASTER30 block 1 NT which is totally different. I hope you are aware about the block 1NT.
The same.What about powerpack ? Same or not ?
So range, speed, agility is not very well , it's job very hard againts torpedo.The same.
That price is totally impossible.@Anmdt
I think the price is not correct, the ship with sensor package would cost 400m dollar, with weapon package it could cost maybe 700 to 800 million dollar. Still cheaper then the France.
I disagree, speed is the one option to anti-torpedo defence.So range, speed, agility is not very well , it's job very hard againts torpedo.
I agree with you. I think speed is actually the least important anti-torpedo measure. It can be important if the distance between the platform that throws the torpedo to the target and the target platform is large. Such distances are not uncommon in the Aegean Sea. In the Mediterranean Sea, I think the last thing war ships should worry about is the torpedo!I disagree, speed is the one option to anti-torpedo defence.
The other is the anti-torpedo countermeasure systems, such as SYLENA MK2 and SEALAT-CANTO.
Hellenic FDI will have...
French FDI will have......
- up to 32 ASTER 30 surface-to-air missile
- 21-cell launcher of RAM Block 2B surface-to-air missiles
- 8 Exocet MM-40 Block 3
- 2 EuroTorp MU90 Impact torpedoes
- Canto decoys system
- Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid gun(mounted in stealth cupola)
- up to 16 ASTER 30 surface-to-air missile
- 8 Exocet MM-40 Block 3
- 2 EuroTorp MU90 Impact torpedoes
- Canto decoys system
- Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid gun(mounted in stealth cupola)
The deal includes the purchase of 3 Belh@rra Helleniques(FDI) frigates worth 3 billion euros (+ 1 frigate with a locked price and weapons systems) with the possibility of air defense but with a lack of electronic warfare capabilities, at least in the beginning. The Belh@rra Helleniques(FDI) frigates will hypothetically include an Oto Melara 76 mm Super Rapid gun (mounted in stealth cupola), 2 × 20 mm remotely operated guns, anti-ship missiles: 8 × Exocet MM-40 Block 3, anti-air missiles: 2 × Sylver A50 8-cell VLS for MBDA Aster 30 and anti-submarine: 2 × dual torpedo tubes with EuroTorp MU90 Impact torpedoes while deliveries of warships will begin in 2025 and end in 2027. On 22/12/2021 the issue of the cost of frigates to ratify the supply was passed by the Greek Parliament.I think Greeks are over optimistic and wishful.
Sign first the contract and we will see on which the agreements are made, there is too much information rubbish produced by Greek forums and twitter accounts that many Greeks start to believe things like super FTDI for the lowest price.
Nice dreams but the French are everything but cheap. Either the specs that Greeks want to believe are not correct or the price they hope to pay.
Therefor talking on assumptions is a bit waste of time, wait for the signature and we'll see what the specs are