TR Naval Programs

[Anmdt]

Egypt will pay 260 million euros for maintenance and integrated Logistic Support services for their 2 FREMM class frigates in a 10-year agreement.


Do we know the cost regarding maintenance and other related services of the I-Class or Ada-class?

13 million per year, if including maintance of electronics or anything aboard with spares is quite a reasonable or good price.
But i am doubt it, this price should be for dockings, surveys and not the materials spent for maintenance, or spare parts or man-hours spent by 3rd parties in repairs. These items are not foreseeable.

We wouldn't get such a price for Turkish ship anytime soon, the maintenance is carried out by Naval shipyards and spare part processes are managed by TN a nd ILS outsourced to STM in some cases. Pakistan's Milgem could be a reference if they disclose the agreement for maintanance and ILS.

 

[Anmdt]

Altınay's ASIST replacement is dubbed the Kuşkapanı/Birdtrap. I like it.
Its acceptance tests were completed aboard TCG Istanbul.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1728707993607295351

1st replacement, so far. OPVs are equipped by another product, developed locally. (Sonitus & HeliPlat).

Since this is a first time LIDAR is used on the ship instead of laser beacon on the heli, i am wondering how good the system is in adverse weather where the air is literally filled in with thousands of water particle causing wrong detection. Maybe they have a paper published like some aselsan products?

That Lidar one has been proposed as an R&D project but use of Lidar is still boggling my mind. A laser beam provides sufficient information for a 1D moving arrest system, what Lidar would do apart from sensing 3D image of the platform is the arrest system is still moving in a similar manner.

 

[Sanchez]

1st replacement, so far. OPVs are equipped by another product, developed locally. (Sonitus & HeliPlat).


That Lidar one has been proposed as an R&D project but use of Lidar is still boggling my mind. A laser beam provides sufficient information for a 1D moving arrest system, what Lidar would do apart from sensing 3D image of the platform is the arrest system is still moving in a similar manner.

Only in Turkey you would see 2 local replacements for such a niche product. Good luck to both companies.

 

[infrared]

1st replacement, so far. OPVs are equipped by another product, developed locally. (Sonitus & HeliPlat).


That Lidar one has been proposed as an R&D project but use of Lidar is still boggling my mind. A laser beam provides sufficient information for a 1D moving arrest system, what Lidar would do apart from sensing 3D image of the platform is the arrest system is still moving in a similar manner.

Thanks, I have been wondering if Altinay and HeliPlat's systems are different.

For the Lidar, the advantage would be the elimination of helicopter modification to integrate the laser beacon.

 

[infrared]

Only in Turkey you would see 2 local replacements for such a niche product. Good luck to both companies.

It is actually 3

Kuskapani - STM & Altinay (Delivered on TCG Istanbul Istif-class frigate):
Up to sea state 4 (twitter.com/IsmailDemirSSB/status/1620004642087407616)

STM - STM Ambargoya Karşı Yerli Sistemle Cevap Verdi

www.stm.com.tr

Hayat S10 - Sonitus & HeliPlat (To be delivered on TCG Kochisar Hisar-class OPV):
Up to sea state 5

https://www.sonitus.com.tr/cozumler/tasima-ve-transfer-sistem-cozumleri/hayat-s10

? - Berkin Engineering (Under development):

Berkin Defense Engineering introduces LIDAR for aircraft recovery | Yücel ATALAY posted on the topic | LinkedIn

A first in the world! Aircraft Recovery System that can recognize and recover not only a single type but all models thanks to Artificial Intelligence with…

www.linkedin.com

Asist (embargoed) - Indal (US owned Canadian company)
Up to sea state 6

Curtiss-Wright EMS - INDAL - Products & Solutions - Helicopter Securing & Traversing - ASIST

www.cw-ems.com

 

[Anmdt]

? - Berkin Engineering (Under development):

They are developing the sensing end of the project (has not proposed officially, yet), likely can be incorporated into STM's or HeliPlat's solution.

Kuskapani - STM & Altinay (Delivered on TCG Istanbul Istif-class frigate):
Up to sea state 4 (twitter.com/IsmailDemirSSB/status/1620004642087407616)

STM - STM Ambargoya Karşı Yerli Sistemle Cevap Verdi

www.stm.com.tr

Hayat S10 - Sonitus & HeliPlat (To be delivered on TCG Kochisar Hisar-class OPV):
Up to sea state 5
https://www.sonitus.com.tr/cozumler/tasima-ve-transfer-sistem-cozumleri/hayat-s10

I believe both of these will be (have been) certified up to Sea State 5.

For the Lidar, the advantage would be the elimination of helicopter modification to integrate the laser beacon.

You still need an integration on the helicopter, the pilot needs a low latency feedback on the aircraft's relative position-velocity w.r.t. the platform. A Lidar is more prone for equipment failures however, if they are intending to develop a 5-axis capable arm - arrest system then this would be interesting.

It is not just a brochure but Sonitus is actually giving a kick-start information on who wants to make their own helicopter landing-assist and traverse system.

https://sonitus.com.tr/storage/brochures/Sonitus-HAYAT%20S10-En.pdf

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Milgem+
124m
3600t displacement

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Milgem+ AS3600

 

[Sanchez]

Milgem+ new frigate
124m
3600t displacement

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I was just coming here to post this too. Interesting layout on Milgem+. Bow mounted Levent? This indeed looks like an enlarged corvette or export.

Taken by Xavier Vavasseur.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729191103520518634

 

[Cabatli_TR]

I was just coming here to post this too. Interesting layout on Milgem+. Can probably carry 4x6 ASMs but not sure about the VLS.

Taken by Xavier Vavasseur.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1729191103520518634

In mock-up, The ship include 64xVLS MIDLAS and 8xAtmaca missiles

 

[uçuyorum]

In mock-up, The ship include 64xVLS MIDLAS and 8xAtmaca missiles

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But tiny radar for whatever reason, it wasn't even Cenk S I think

 

[Ripley]

@Cabatli_TR
Where are these picture coming from?
Are these just released?
Is 3600 a continuation of MILGEM series or a standalone design?
If a stand-alone to accompany TF2000 why not a 4-5K tons design?

 

[Oublious]

Kozan Selcuk will be happy, I Class+...

 

[Cabatli_TR]

But tiny radar for whatever reason, it wasn't even Cenk S I think

I think this seems to be the only thing missing from mock-up. A frigate with a 64VLS should consist of a large AESA module generating the electronic beams at both S and X band frequency bands. Considering that some of these MIDLAS cells will also have Siper family missiles, long-range detection capability will gain importance in long range engagement...

 

[Cabatli_TR]

@Cabatli_TR
Where are these picture coming from?
Are these just released?
Is 3600 a continuation of MILGEM series or a standalone design?
If a stand-alone to accompany TF2000 why not a 4-5K tons design?

From IDEF2023. The photos were taken by Mr. Tayfun Özberk. Milgem+ AS3600 concept isn't new.

 

[uçuyorum]

I think this seems to be the only thing missing from mock-up. A frigate with a 64VLS should consist of a large AESA module generating the waves at both S and X band frequency bands. Considering that some of these MIDLAS cells will also have Siper family missiles, long-range detection capability will gain importance in long range engagement...

I would be fine with Barbaros modernization like approach, but really this needs an EIRS-D

 

[Cabatli_TR]

AS2300: Hisar class OPV
AS3000: Pakistani Milgem
AS3400: Pakistani Jinnah class frigate
AS3600: Milgem+

 

[Ripley]

From IDEF2023. The photos were taken by Mr. Tayfun Özberk. Milgem+ AS3600 concept isn't new.

Thank you. And I did some research myself and, no, that 3600 design is a conceptual work by ASFAT and not proposed to TN.
Probably for export.
If I didn‘t know Malaysia was looking something about 3K tons and a little lightly armed hull, I’d say it was a proposal for them.
It Looks like a little bit beefed up Jinnah class.

 

[boredaf]

Milgem+ AS3600

View attachment 63336

What is it with Turkish companies and not spell checking their English material? That "2x25 mm ung" really irks me.

 

[Ripley]

What is it with Turkish companies and not spell checking their English material? That "2x25 mm ung" really irks me.

ung: Un Necessary Gun

Seriously, in the heat of excitement, it escaped my attention,too.
it’s unprofessional and ridiculous