TR Naval Programs

[Brave Janissary]

A good question to experts ;

1- In the official sources aip range of type-214 is 2310 km and they have 19.300 km total range surfaced. So that's mean sub going 2310 km after that they need shnorkeling and after that they can again can go 2310 km until they reach 19300 km in the total without refuiling ?

Or

They can just 2310 km go and after that they can finishes his aip charge and they need to go with diesel engine alone.

 

[Turko]

A good question to experts ;

1- In the official sources aip range of type-214 is 2310 km and they have 19.300 km total range surfaced. So that's mean sub going 2310 km after that they need shnorkeling and after that they can again can go 2310 km until they reach 19300 km in the total without refuiling ?

Or

They can just 2310 km go and after that they can finishes his aip charge and they need to go with diesel engine alone.

Although I'm not an expert , it is very easy question.

"Siemens has developed a 30–50 kilowatt fuel cell unit, a device that converts the chemical energy from a fuel and oxidiser into electricity. Fuel cells differ from batteries in that they require a continuous source of fuel (such as hydrogen) and oxygen, which are carried in the vessel in pressurized tanks, to sustain the chemical reaction. Nine of these units are incorporated into Howaldtswerke Deutsche Werft AG's 1,830 t submarine U-31, lead ship for the Type 212A of the German Navy. The other boats of this class and HDW's AIP equipped export submarines ( Dolphin class, Type 209 mod and Type 214) use two 120 kW (160 hp) modules, also from Siemens.[16"

 

[Yasar_TR]

ASFAT, 2 adet açık deniz karakol gemisinin inşasına devam ediyor

ASFAT, Tersaneler Genel Müdürlüğü ve İstanbul Tersanesi Komutanlığının desteğiyle Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri'ne 2 adet açık deniz karakol gemisi kazandıracak

www.savunmasanayiidergilik.com

Asfat is working on with the building of two Offshore Patrol Vessels for TN. (It is expected that the total number could be around 10 ships altogether when the project is complete). As the ships are based on Ada Class, they will have stealth characteristics.
There are two very important points within the statements made by the Ministry of Defence;
1. The ships are going to have a modular structure. They will have positions and provisions to add weapons and augment the vessels’ firepower at a short time. Stand-alone they come with a 76mm main gun and a couple of 12.7mm guns. But there is provisions for Anti ship missiles (Atmaca), CIWS (MKE and/or Gokdeniz-ER , Gokdeniz), even VLS capability and torpedoes. All necessary sensors can also be added very quickly due to this modular structure .
2. Because of the amount of indigenous parts used in the manufacturing processes, the cost of the ships will be 40% below the expected allocation of budget.

Açık Deniz Karakol Gemisi (MİLGEM)

Açık Deniz Karakol Gemisi (MİLGEM)

www.millisavunma.com

 

[Yasar_TR]

A good question to experts ;

1- In the official sources aip range of type-214 is 2310 km and they have 19.300 km total range surfaced. So that's mean sub going 2310 km after that they need shnorkeling and after that they can again can go 2310 km until they reach 19300 km in the total without refuiling ?

Or

They can just 2310 km go and after that they can finishes his aip charge and they need to go with diesel engine alone.

There is a good article on the type214 subs we are building shared below. A lot of the points are answered there.
I wouldn’t take standard specs given in wiki and other sites as gospel. Since, if you investigate and do a little calculation you will find a lot of discrepancies in the figures quoted.
Also remember that Type 214 TN is quite different to standard 214. It is longer and designed and built to Turkish specs. For example one of the most important things on board these subs are the Metal Hydride tanks and Oxygen tanks. There are normally 6 rows of these metal hydride tanks on each side in a standard type-214. But Turkish subs have 7 rows of each, increasing hydrogen holding capacity. The Liquid Oxygen Tank capacity is increased as well. These improve the amount of time the sub can stay submerged.
(Also please note that the surfaced 19300km range, is the range given at snorkelling depth, with a speed of 4 knots. That means 110 days of sailing. Yet the sub‘s maximum sailing is given as 12 weeks/84 days)

https://www.defence turkey.com/en/content/type-214tn-reis-class-tcg-piri-reis-submarine-3827

 

[Anmdt]

There is a good article on the type214 subs we are building shared below. A lot of the points are answered there.
I wouldn’t take standard specs given in wiki and other sites as gospel. Since, if you investigate and do a little calculation you will find a lot of discrepancies in the figures quoted.
Also remember that Type 214 TN is quite different to standard 214. It is longer and designed and built to Turkish specs. For example one of the most important things on board these subs are the Metal Hydride tanks and Oxygen tanks. There are normally 6 rows of these metal hydride tanks on each side in a standard type-214. But Turkish subs have 7 rows of each, increasing hydrogen holding capacity. The Liquid Oxygen Tank capacity is increased as well. These improve the amount of time the sub can stay submerged.
(Also please note that the surfaced 19300km range, is the range given at snorkelling depth, with a speed of 4 knots. That means 110 days of sailing. Yet the sub‘s maximum sailing is given as 12 weeks/84 days)

https://www.defence turkey.com/en/content/type-214tn-reis-class-tcg-piri-reis-submarine-3827

A AIP submarine also has batteries. This answer the most.
When AIP sources run out, it can still operate as a diesel-electric sub, AIP only gives one-shot submerged range or to extend submerged navigation duration provided by the batteries.

 

[Turko]

My new obsession is STM's 500 ton mini submarine. I wonder if they will use lithium ion batteries in the new sub.
So you won't need bulky and dangerous pressured hydrogen, oxygen tanks. Japanese has already made new sub with lithium ion batteries which doubled range,speed and lifecycle of batteries.

Recharging lead batteries is too long also you can't recharge them submerged as charging causes toxic gases.

@Anmdt Dear again me asking
What do you think about Italian DG-160 midget submarine design? It could dive 150 meter with 9 crew and carries 2 torpedoes. It has great range also thanks to midget weight to hard to detect.

AFAIK , in the heavy sea conditions, 150 meter deep is enough to avoid storms for submarines ? So 160 ton midget submarine would be reliable and effective for Turkish Navy?

They could complete FAC and Patrol roles without being noticed.

DRASS DG160 – DRASS GROUP

www.drass.tech

H I Sutton - Covert Shores

Postwar ERA German Subs weighted 500tons.
New lithium ion battery technology would bring great opportunities for midget submarines.

 

[Anmdt]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1481936441928261633

Possibly one of the rare incidents where press have been forbidden to take pictures, at the delivery of A-591, TCG Ufuk. The photos will be released by DzKK to the press.

My new obsession is STM's 500 ton mini submarine. I wonder if they will use lithium ion batteries in the new sub.
So you won't need bulky and dangerous pressured hydrogen, oxygen tanks. Japanese has already made new sub with lithium ion batteries which doubled range,speed and lifecycle of batteries.

Recharging lead batteries is too long also you can't recharge them submerged as charging causes toxic gases.

@Anmdt Dear again me asking
What do you think about Italian DG-160 midget submarine design? It could dive 150 meter with 9 crew and carries 2 torpedoes. It has great range also thanks to midget weight to hard to detect.

AFAIK , in the heavy sea conditions, 150 meter deep is enough to avoid storms for submarines ? So 160 ton midget submarine would be reliable and effective for Turkish Navy?

They could complete FAC and Patrol roles without being noticed.

DRASS DG160 – DRASS GROUP

www.drass.tech

H I Sutton - Covert Shores

Postwar ERA German Subs weighted 500tons.
New lithium ion battery technology would bring great opportunities for midget submarines.

STM500 doesn't make sense without Li-Ion, the smaller subs will rise again as Li-Ion technology matures. This can be foreseen easily.

160 tons submarine rather fits for smaller navies or for use with a mothership through a moon-pool. TN might use it, but again TN would rather use this as a SOF submarine.

There is an ongoing project which i have earlier mentioned about, a TKY project by SSB focuses on contract stage of a multi-purpose submarine design that is nearly equal to DG-160 in tonnage an capacity. It can be used as a SOF submarine, armed-midget submarine, civilian submarine and finally as a test submarine.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Erdoğan: "We will build 3 Istif class frigates at the same time."

 

[TheInsider]

Erdoğan: All remaining I class frigates(6th 7th and 8th ship) will be built at the same time!
Construction of TF-2000 will start soon.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Erdoğan: "Our aircraft carrier will be domestic"

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr Erdogan: We now have the Vertical launch system to be used on Istif class frigates.

 

[TheInsider]

4x I class by 2025 if we start parallel construction this year.

 

[TheInsider]

TF-2000
3x I class frigate
2x Hisar(+8 option) class OPV
10x Turk class FAC
6x Reis class submarine
4x Preveze class submarine half-life modernization
4x Barbaros class frigate half-life modernization
1xLHD
STM midget submarine
Pakistan Milgem
Ukraine Milgem
Lol we are approaching Chinese level of production

 

[Saithan]

Mr Erdogan: We now have the Vertical launch system to be used on Istif class frigates.

Istif is going to take of vertically ?

4x I class by 2025 if we start parallel construction this year.

I want the first delivered and accepted by TN before celebrating the others not much I'm asking for, just one please.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

3x I class frigate
2x Hisar class OPV
10x Turk class FAC
6x Reis class submarine
4x Preveze class submarine half-life modernization
4x Barbaros class frigate half-life modernization
1xLHD
STM midget submarine
Pakistan Milgem
Ukraine Milgem
Lol we are approaching Chinese level of production

By 2022-2023, The Turkish industry will simultaneously construct TTFAC, 500ton submarines, Hisar class OPV (4x Hisar VLS), Istif class frigates(16x MIDAS VLS), Reis class submarines and Tf2000 destroyers(64x MIDAS VLS) for the Turkish Navy.

Milden and TT Aircraft carrier projects will probably start around 2024-25.

This is what happens when you provoke the Turks

 

[Manomed]

By 2022-2023, The Turkish industry will simultaneously construct TTFAC, 500ton submarines, Hisar class OPV (4x Hisar VLS), Istif class frigates(16x MIDAS VLS), Reis class submarines and Tf2000 destroyers(64x MIDAS VLS) for the Turkish Navy.

Milden and TT Aircraft carrier projects will probably start around 2023-24.

isn't the I class supposed to have x32 vls?

 

[Abdelaziz]

By 2022-2023, The Turkish industry will simultaneously construct TTFAC, 500ton submarines, Hisar class OPV (4x Hisar VLS), Istif class frigates(16x MIDAS VLS), Reis class submarines and Tf2000 destroyers(64x MIDAS VLS) for the Turkish Navy.

Milden and TT Aircraft carrier projects will probably start around 2023-24.

This is what happens when you provoke the Turks

This is all attributed to the local defence industry .. hence the state which has local industry can get its own need with low prices and without restrictions of global powers and their " regional power balance"

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Thats Turk Defence industry , what i say before is becoming reality

 

[Numberone]

Game over

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1481964410264502278