TR Naval Programs

[Yasar_TR]

ukroturk/turko (who is on hiatus) asked me to share this one with you guys to see if members have comments etc...(and maybe to compare/contrast with turkish systems that are looking to turn CIWS into C-RAM etc).

If in wrong section, mods can move it.

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A Counter Rocket Artillery Mortar (C-RAM), system like “Porcupine” is effective in an area 400m x 400m. The range of 10 km stated above for a 20mm Gatling gun, is just not possible.
As a C-RAM it probably is an effective system. But I am quite hopeful for our Korkut too for a similar job, if it is accompanied with a good tracking radar which I think it has.

OTO Melara unveils its new automatized defense system, the PORCUPINE C-RAM | Eurosatory 2014 Show Daily News Coverage Report | Defence and security military army exhibition 2014

At Eurosatory 2014, OTO Melara presents PORCUPINE C-RAM, a remotely controlled M61A1 Gatling gun coupled with ammunition handling loader and a stabilized optronic infrared tracking system, providing 24 hour target engagement capability.This new defense system offers solution to the C-RAM...

www.armyrecognition.com

DSA 2018: Aselsan to develop Korkut-based C-RAM system

Turkish company Aselsan has revealed that it is developing a counter-rocket artillery and mortar (C-RAM) system. Mustafa Kaval, the head of defence system technology for the company, told Jane’s at…

asymmetricd.wordpress.com

 

[Anmdt]

Two projects are loading nicely and so far smoothly, according to the schedule.

HATS - Helicopter Arrest and Traverse System (ASIST equilavent)
NSSAF - National Ship Survivability Analysis Framework (In replacement of a western origin framework, software that no more meets the demand of the TN, thus a new model allowing more customization per region and advanced details is in progress of development)

HATS current, possible orders;
4 I-Class.
1 Dimdeg ( possible )
10 AKDG ( possible, with dual feature of handling S-UAV, in Turkish G-IHA, and Helicopters)
- TF-2000.

+ Some possible exports on platforms that are exported

HATS (Asist replacement) was assigned to two companies, since it has been openly admitted by the other company (HeliPLAT) now we may see it as;

Altınay was assigned with the task of developing ASIST replacement for TN, by SSB and Altınay has chosen a mechanical solution provider to assemble and test etc.
HeliPLAT & ADVENS Duo was assigned with the task of developing ASIST replacement, by ASFAT (thus MinDef), and has chosen a control system provider to prepare the control algorithms for arrest mechanism.

At the current pace, HeliPLAT is closer to achieve the solution, their system will be ready to be installed by end of this year. While Altınay with their solution provider is yet to propose a detailed design.

More information available on here, an interview by manager of the HeliPLAT;

HeliPLAT | Söyleşi: HeliPLAT Kurucu Genel Müdürü Fuat Akpınar

Türk Deniz Kuvvetleri, askeri ihracat müşterileri ve TPAO için birçok helikopter pisti üretimi ve modernizasyonu gerçekleştirmiş HeliPLAT şirketi Kurucu Genel

mavivatan.net

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Mr. YAVUZ YELDAN, from MiiluxOY:

"We are conducting our trials for HY100 and HY130 submarine ballistic steels. In addition, we have initiated our trial production to produce S690QL and S960QL high yield steel, which is used in the production of onboard equipments"

Source @Defence Turkey magazine last issue

 

[TR_123456]

Also; TN operates the old block of Sub-Harpoon that went through life extension at some point. Probably new block of sub-harpoon was not ordered because Navy expects Sub-Harpoon soon in 2023/2024 along with introduction of the Reis-Class.

Why Sub-Harpoon,why not Sub-Atmaca?

 

[Khagan1923]

Why Sub-Harpoon,why not Sub-Atmaca?

I think he meant Sub-Atmaca. Navy didn't order any new Sub-Harpoon because they expect Sub-Atmaca to enter inventory relatively fast.

 

[Abdelaziz]

Mr. YAVUZ YELDAN, from MiiluxOY:

"We are conducting our trials for HY100 and HY130 submarine ballistic steels. In addition, we have initiated our trial production to produce S690QL and S960QL high yield steel, which is used in the production of onboard equipments"

Source @Defence Turkey magazine last issue

A huge initiative

 

[AWP]

Roketsan VLS

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493999107207221250

 

[Tsenal]

Roketsan VLS

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1493999107207221250

The picture is not Roketsan's VLS.

 

[Yasar_TR]

I think he meant Sub-Atmaca. Navy didn't order any new Sub-Harpoon because they expect Sub-Atmaca to enter inventory relatively fast.

@Anmdt must have meant Sub-Atmaca. Yes.
But if memory serves, all harpoons in current combatants were going to be replaced with Atmaca missiles. To do this control consoles on the ships will be changed as well. So new Atmaca-Specific consoles are to be installed in all surface ships that will have Atmaca missiles.
So in order to have Sub-Atmaca in the Reis class, we will have to have Atmaca-Specific consoles fitted in these subs. To have sub-harpoons first and then replace all the consoles etc wouldn’t be that easy. Therefore no need to order sub-harpoons!

 

[dustdevil]

I ask because I don’t understand. In the age of computers and touch screen displays why a separate hard wired console is required for Harpoon alone. I know it has some special mechanical controls at the console, but why an Atmaca or generic console can not be used for Harpoon launches?

Air launched Harpoon does not have a console, right?

 

[Yasar_TR]

I ask because I don’t understand. In the age of computers and touch screen displays why a separate hard wired console is required for Harpoon alone. I know it has some special mechanical controls at the console, but why an Atmaca or generic console can not be used for Harpoon launches?

Air launched Harpoon does not have a console, right?

Air launched harpoon uses semi active radar guidance and is void of a booster.
Standard harpoon has an active radar guidance with a transceiver and has a sea skimming trajectory.
It looks like two different guidance systems.
Can this be the reason for a console?

 

[Anmdt]

Why Sub-Harpoon,why not Sub-Atmaca?

Typo , and yes i have meant the Sub-Atmaca.
Force of habit, haven't got used to the "Sub-Atmaca".

 

[dustdevil]

Air launched harpoon uses semi active radar guidance and is void of a booster.
Standard harpoon has an active radar guidance with a transceiver and has a sea skimming trajectory.
It looks like two different guidance systems.
Can this be the reason for a console?

I don’t think air launched one uses a different method of guidance.

Based on specific console talk about the Harpoon in Turkish journalist circles it could be that the manufacturer or the exporter country does not provide the system interface for the missile for use with a third party computer. Or it could be an exaggeration, i.e. Harpoon could be used without a specific console… that’s why I ask here..

Imagine if a mouse chews on the console’s cable, you can’t use the Harpoon. Does not seem very robust to me and sounds like a 1960s era thing.

 

[Balamir]

Very good news.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1494613241363931136

 

[SaR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495063817788735491

 

[Cabatli_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495063817788735491

It must be about trials of new Gökdeniz CIWS turret

 

[Yasar_TR]

Roketsan MİDAS'tan HİSAR-RF Atışına Hazırlanıyor

Roketsan, Milli Dikey Atım Sistemi (MİDAS)'nden HİSAR-RF Hava Savunma Füzesi atışına hazırlanıyor. MİDAS + HİSAR-RF, TCG İSTANBUL Firkateyni'nde kullanılacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Roketsan is getting ready to fire from indigenous MILDAS a Hisar-RF missile. The final aim is to give the Turkish VLS system a quad packing capability.

Edit:
Thank you USA!
You have given us the momentum to build our own VLS!
A true ally by all means !!!

 

[SaR]

Roketsan MİDAS'tan HİSAR-RF Atışına Hazırlanıyor

Roketsan, Milli Dikey Atım Sistemi (MİDAS)'nden HİSAR-RF Hava Savunma Füzesi atışına hazırlanıyor. MİDAS + HİSAR-RF, TCG İSTANBUL Firkateyni'nde kullanılacak.

www.savunmasanayist.com

Roketsan is getting ready to fire from indigenous MILDAS a Hisar-RF missile. The final aim is to give the Turkish VLS system a quad packing capability.

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Edit:
Thank you USA!
You have given us the momentum to build our own VLS!
A true ally by all means !!!

What is going to be the interim solution while quadpack capable missile is under development.

Gokdeniz could be replaced with Levent or Gokdeniz-ER
Specialized munitions for MKE 76mm. Fastest solution could be ATOM warhead.
Nazar Lite

 

[Altay_TR]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1495748139546025985

 

[Cenkcnk]

I always hated this new camo. And I guess they will turn to gray soon