TR Navy Naval Programs

[boredaf]

Bro's I have an idea ;

What you think about unmanned vls ships for escorting Frigates ?

All of us know our ships have a limited sizes and limited vls capacity for air defence etc. On the other hand there are more navies in the world who have same situation.

We can add a 8x vls to unmanned surface vessels and add him to our frigates for escorts. Our frigates can control siper&hisar missiles via datalink on unmanned surface vessels.

With help of that we can launch more missiles from our ships without enlarging, cutting and entering overhaull. Also this ships can resistable sea state 5-6 and if required they can tow with main frigate and last one they can attach and deattach from fillolita or formation if not required and can attach another ship in the region on operation area.

What a you think ?

Vls doesn't really make sense imo as it would require USVs to be too big but if we do something like Atılgan with an USV instead of an M113 we can at least use them for SHORAD in dangerous areas. Just imagine that turret on something like Ulaq with maybe 20mm gun instead of 12.7 with 8 or more Sungur, which has 8km range.

 

[Sanchez]

Hisar Class Offshore Patrol Ships TCG AKHİSAR and TCG KOÇHİSAR

A little China-ing :3

And somelovely shots of Istanbul and its Gökdeniz as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705518106716631521

And a question, what's this? Escalator for 35mm ammo boxes maybe?

 

[Aloster]

They will end up being big and expensive if they are to withstand harsh sea conditions and have meaningful endurance

May be they will be big and expensive like Onuk Mrtp 33 but if them integrated to Kement system with aid Ships main radar self defence capabilities increased enourmously for crewed ships. U can simultaneously fire more air defence missile also capabilities and also crewed ships behave like more ranged missile system. Assume that 1 Ada with 2 unmanned Onuk 33 each of them 10 mile away from Ada with aid of Ada radar they can engage target before Ada . At future also we can add them Anadolu to obtain unmanned CSG
Ps: Kaan 33 already can fire 4 Harpoon also we don't need vls for this ships. We also can fire missile inclined status. Also at future they can work with OPVS

 

[uçuyorum]

May be they will be big and expensive like Onuk Mrtp 33 but if them integrated to Kement system with aid Ships main radar self defence capabilities increased enourmously for crewed ships. U can simultaneously fire more air defence missile also capabilities and also crewed ships behave like more ranged missile system. Assume that 1 Ada with 2 unmanned Onuk 33 each of them 10 mile away from Ada with aid of Ada radar they can engage target before Ada . At future also we can add them Anadolu to obtain unmanned CSG

Ada class has an endurance of 3 weeks and can operate in sea state 5. MRTP 33 can withstand sea state 4 and has endurance of 3 days.

 

[Aloster]

MRTP 33 can withstand sea state 4 and has endurance of 3 days

As a manned 20 crew. Assume that without them, food , water with many other things removal it endurance increased enourmously. I cant say anything about sea State 4 and state 5 it is beyond my capabilities and knowledge.

 

[Sanchez]

And here is a MIDLAS close up.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705538430002688140

 

[Sanchez]

Family photo!
6 Milgem ships side by side. Left to right: Kaibar, Heybeliada, Istanbul, Babur, Akhisar, Koçhisar

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705574238403395841

 

[BalkanTurk90]

Hisar Class Offshore Patrol Ships TCG AKHİSAR and TCG KOÇHİSAR

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705514122568245455

-When will be ready for service ?
-And will navy equip those with SAMs and Antiship missiles ?

 

[guest12]

Hisar Class Offshore Patrol Ships TCG AKHİSAR and TCG KOÇHİSAR

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705514122568245455

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705553974995075200

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1705550036724048008

 

[zio]

There is no gökdeniz on babur,why?

 

[Sanchez]

There is no gökdeniz on babur,why?

They went for a no CIWS configuration a la British. It carries 16 CAMM-ERs though.

 

[Heartbang]

Bro's I have an idea ;

What do you think about unmanned vls ships for escorting Frigates ?

All of us know our ships have limited sizes and limited vls capacity for air defence etc. On the other hand there are more navies in the world who have same situation.

We can add a 8x vls to unmanned surface vessels and add him to our frigates for escorts. Our frigates can control siper&hisar missiles via datalink on unmanned surface vessels.

With help of that we can launch more missiles from our ships without enlarging, cutting and entering overhaull. Also this ships can resistable sea state 5-6 and if required they can tow with main frigate and last one they can attach and deattach from fillolita or formation if not required and can attach another ship in the region on operation area.

What a you think ?

Slap this on a USV, bob's your uncle:

You could also use it on existing ships too, of course.

This Bolt-On Launcher Can Give Nearly Any Ship The Same Weaponry As A U.S. Navy Destroyer

The launcher could allow everything from amphibious assault ships to logistics ships to carry the Navy's most potent surface-launched missiles.

www.thedrive.com

 

[Heartbang]

If USA is planning brawl with you, you are done anyway. Basing your future naval strategy on such hypothetical scenario is not reasonable IMO.

...and Biden's a competent president, yeah?

 

[Afif]

...and Biden's a competent president, yeah?

What is that has to do with Naval strategy?

 

[Heartbang]

What is that has to do with Naval strategy?

Not much TBH. Which is about the same as your "there's no point fighting, just give up and assume the position" flavored point of view.

Even the mightiest fall. That's the way it is. I suggest you don't get carried away too much.

 

[Afif]

Not much TBH. Which is about the same as your "there's no point fighting, just give up and assume the position" flavored point of view.

Even the mightiest fall. That's the way it is. I suggest you don't get carried away too much.

Becuase USA ain't planning any fight with Turkey either. I am just saying, making real world strategy recommendations based on pure hypothetical scenarios is not a good idea.

 

[boredaf]

Not much TBH. Which is about the same as your "there's no point fighting, just give up and assume the position" flavored point of view.

Even the mightiest fall. That's the way it is. I suggest you don't get carried away too much.

It wasn't what they were saying at all, you were just trying to get offended mate. And they were right. We are never, ever going to get on equal grounds with US navy ship for ship. We need to build our navy according to our needs in our waters, not on meaningless plans of fighting a naval war against US.

 

[Heartbang]

Becuase USA ain't planning any fight with Turkey either.

Yeah, because they're already fighting that fight. In Levant. They just use proxies.

You are making strategy recommendations based on pure hypothetical speculation.

Competent military forces don't have the luxury of deciding what's hypothetical and what's not. The US had prepared plans for invading the UK right after WW2.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red)
They didn't speculate on if its likely or not, they just planned it and prepared for it. That's how it is, how it should be for us as well.

And they were right. We are never, ever going to get on equal grounds with US navy ship for ship.

"Successful" wars rarely get to be equal affairs. American military enthusiasts often brag about how unfair they fight, bringing 100 million dollar jets to dogfights with MIG-21s and using multi-million dollar drones to kill carpet salesmen. Its part of their playbook to win.

We need to build our navy according to our needs in our waters

Which is to defend the motherland against outside threats, right?

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Yeah, because they're already fighting that fight. In Levant. They just use proxies.

Competent military forces don't have the luxury of deciding what's hypothetical and what's not. The US had prepared plans for invading the UK right after WW2.(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_Plan_Red)
They didn't speculate on if its likely or not, they just planned it and prepared for it. That's how it is, how it should be for us as well.

"Successful" wars rarely get to be equal affairs. American military enthusiasts often brag about how unfair they fight, bringing 100 million dollar jets to dogfights with MIG-21s and using multi-million dollar drones to kill carpet salesmen. Its part of their playbook to win.

Which is to defend the motherland against outside threats, right?

Two super powers together with their vassals thought they can smash the Turks. But nope, our forefathers kicked their and their vassals teeth in while we were at our weakest.

A non Turk can NEVER understand the mindset of a Turk no matter what arguments they bring. No one can invade and hold Anatolia successfully.

 

[dBSPL]

Let me say one thing: If Turkiye enters into a direct and total war against a superpower, it will be called a world war. That war will never, ever be regional. And the economic consequences will be devastating. The political order in the world will be shaken, let alone the government in the attacking country...

There are some things that will not change in the history of the mankind, one of them is that the world will collapse if necessary, but the Turks will somehow continue to exist as a state in the new world that will be created. We have never been a very rich people, even during the most glorious empires the Turkish people lived with great hardship. The unique feature of the Turkish people is not the prosperity they create, but the fact that if you mess with them they destroy your prosperity. This is not a patriotic thing I am saying, but facts that have been proven again and again as long as history has existed.