TR Naval Programs

[Sanchez]

Per Mavivatan.net, Atmaca missiles will be integrated into 3 Ada(4th ship already have them), 4 Gabya and 4 Barbaros Class ships.

https://x.com/mavivatannet/status/1720004284584968500?s=46&t=7tiosvwkaTbbgoSMbRgrzA

 

[Ripley]

It is photoshoped.

Imagine a VLS system on top with hisar and vertical launched umtas and others. Ada class lacks in air defence, one RAM is not sufficient there are blind spots if hit by multiple missiles.

Forgive me but don’t you think it would be better to caption like it was a CGI render, not a real photo of the ship. every member and guest may not know the ship in detail, you know. My two cents

 

[Sanchez]

Per Mavivatan.net, Atmaca missiles will be integrated into 3 Ada(4th ship already have them), 4 Gabya and 4 Barbaros Class ships.

https://x.com/mavivatannet/status/1720004284584968500?s=46&t=7tiosvwkaTbbgoSMbRgrzA

And visual confirmation. Project deadline is 2027. Makes me think they will be part of a greater retrofit for Gabya and Ada class ships. Probably not as extensive as Barbaros MLU but doubt Atmaca will be the only capability increase they will receive.

Actually interesting that Kılıç I/II won’t get them anytime soon. They will have access to a bigger pool of Harpoons if Atmaca replaces them on frigates but sooner or later they should get Atmaca as well.

Edit. Later thought: If OPVs take over some roles our FACs usually do and FACs start acting like pure strike platforms for littoral missions, Harpoons maybe get replaced by Çakır?

 

[Sanchez]

ÜTĞM. ARİF EKMEKÇİ (A-575) is finally delivered to the navy. Ekmekçi and her sister Güngör was to be delivered in 2016, within 26 months of the project start which was in 2014. Turns out even navy is not above horrible procurement choices.

https://x.com/mavivatannet/status/1720104568711778551?s=46&t=7tiosvwkaTbbgoSMbRgrzA

 

[Sanchez]

Incomplete but lovely.
Source is Ümit Büyükyıldırım.

https://x.com/umit2050/status/1720445351675453771?s=46&t=7tiosvwkaTbbgoSMbRgrzA

 

[Fairon]

Per Mavivatan.net, Atmaca missiles will be integrated into 3 Ada(4th ship already have them), 4 Gabya and 4 Barbaros Class ships.

https://x.com/mavivatannet/status/1720004284584968500?s=46&t=7tiosvwkaTbbgoSMbRgrzA

Can we integrate Atmaca's to the MK13?

Or will it be like Taiwanese OHP?

It will be interesting to see it either way.

 

[Knowledgeseeker]

Incomplete but lovely.
Source is Ümit Büyükyıldırım.

https://x.com/umit2050/status/1720445351675453771?s=46&t=7tiosvwkaTbbgoSMbRgrzA

8 warships should be produced to replace the Gabya frigates. Maybe we will hear some good news after the design stage is completed by end of 2024 for the TF-2000.

 

[Sanchez]

Can we integrate Atmaca's to the MK13?

Or will it be like Taiwanese OHP?

It will be interesting to see it either way.

Could be a tad bit for the reloading mechanism.

8 warships should be produced to replace the Gabya frigates. Maybe we will hear some good news after the design stage is completed by end of 2024 for the TF-2000.

4 early Gabyas are goners. Ones modded with VLS and Smart-L will probably stay for at least 15-20 more years.

 

[Anmdt]

ÜTĞM. ARİF EKMEKÇİ (A-575) is finally delivered to the navy. Ekmekçi and her sister Güngör was to be delivered in 2016, within 26 months of the project start which was in 2014. Turns out even navy is not above horrible procurement choices.

https://x.com/mavivatannet/status/1720104568711778551?s=46&t=7tiosvwkaTbbgoSMbRgrzA

Deliberately awarded to Selah Shipyard (now acquired by Ada Shipyard) by SSB. Unfortunately at the time it was awarded Selah was neither financially or technically capable of completing the orders. That was made under a plan, to homogenize roles of shipyards in military related orders and create new candidates who may export these later. But one may also see politics were heavily involved in the process.

 

[Anmdt]

VLS above Helicopter compartment

Nice photoshop skills we can greatly make use of that .

 

[UkroTurk]

Nice photoshop skills we can greatly make use of that .

Adding on top VLS, making Corvette higher would cause stabilization problems?

 

[what]

Incomplete but lovely.
Source is Ümit Büyükyıldırım.

https://x.com/umit2050/status/1720445351675453771?s=46&t=7tiosvwkaTbbgoSMbRgrzA

I'm not an expert in anything defense really, but if history has shown us one thing (or even recent history in Ukraine) its that logistics win wars. How do we stand logistics wise in the Navy? Is the ratio of combat ships to support ships adequate?

Please enlighten me @Anmdt and resident naval experts.

 

[Terrain]

Adding on top VLS, making Corvette higher would cause stabilization problems?

It's in center of mass. But I do wonder how much weight could be placed on top of the helicopter compartment as there are all kind of things on I class which is similar to ada class.

 

[Ripley]

It's in center of mass. But I do wonder how much weight could be placed on top of the helicopter compartment as there are all kind of things on I class which is similar to ada class.

I don’t think that it would present a huge engineering challenge to build a structure strong enough to hold a large, heavy mass on top of the hangar. Wouldn’t be easy but it can be done and extremely expensive and even might extend the overall construction time. Also the the size and weight added might make the ship top heavy and cause severe rolls on high seas.

The question, I believe, should be why would you want an entire VLS unit sitting on top of helicopter hangar, of all places.


EDIT: Turns out sitting a VLS unit on top of an already existing helicopter hangar, might present a huge engineering challenge due structural detailing and designing.
I stand corrected, and gladly too

 

[Terrain]

I don’t think that it would present a huge engineering challenge to build a structure strong enough to hold a large, heavy mass on top of the hangar. Wouldn’t be easy but it can be done and extremely expensive and even might extend the overall construction time. Also the the size and weight added might make the ship top heavy and cause severe rolls on high seas.

The question, I believe, should be why would you want an entire VLS unit sitting on top of helicopter hangar, of all places.

I understand your worries but we need to increase the protection level of the Ada Class and that is the best way. Some kind of a RAM pointed upwards and covers around it.

From a visual calculation POV it is in the middle and in the same line as the funnel. It could be top heavy but we could play with materials it doesn't necessarily has to be metal as there are carbon fiber boats and they do stand corrosion.

Maybe it could be a composite ADA Class Modification.

 

[Anmdt]

It's in center of mass. But I do wonder how much weight could be placed on top of the helicopter compartment as there are all kind of things on I class which is similar to ada class.

You have not studied or currently not studying naval architecture (that's partly what i hope to hear too), right?

Adding on top VLS, making Corvette higher would cause stabilization problems?

Apart from issues related to stability, that doesn't seem like a feasible solution to mount a full or short VLS on top of the hangar. The structure can be made to bear load of a VLS, but the position is too high to be adapted (unless the hangar itself is sacrificed for VLS). We may see Ukranian Ada Class approach and in a similar manner it is possible to fit up to 16 missiles on sides of the hangar - through not full VLS as in MILDAS but individual cold launched cells. If the cells are compact enough the space between the exhaust funnel and mast at the aft position can be utilized with a similar approach. I believe above the hangar should be spared for a CIWS or PDMS.

that is the best way.

According to whom? Too much self-confidence present out there. However, i personally encourage you to study and work an concepts, we even have a dedicated thread around here to post personal concepts and discuss it with people.
This is the thread to discuss personal concepts:

Personal concepts thread

I don’t think that it would present a huge engineering challenge to build a structure strong enough to hold a large, heavy mass on top of the hangar. Wouldn’t be easy but it can be done and extremely expensive and even might extend the overall construction time. Also the the size and weight added might make the ship top heavy and cause severe rolls on high seas.

It actually may turn out to be an engineering challenge if we start to dive into structural detailing and designing. However, it is pretty easy to design it "conceptually".

 

[Anmdt]

I'm not an expert in anything defense really, but if history has shown us one thing (or even recent history in Ukraine) its that logistics win wars. How do we stand logistics wise in the Navy? Is the ratio of combat ships to support ships adequate?

Please enlighten me @Anmdt and resident naval experts.

I believe that currently we are in a good state (also as shown in the Libya campaign). But speaking for the future TN needs a second vessel in DIMDEG project (sistership of TCG Derya) and an extension to DIMDEG with autonomous systems. As well as ships smaller than DIMDEG build with lower costs (STM's FRT for example). and smaller ships for coastal refueling (2 are under construction but we may consider larger versions)

 

[boredaf]

I believe above the hangar should be spared for a CIWS or PDMS.

That sounds to me like the most sensible approach. Can we use Sungur as an interim solution? While it obviously doesn't have the range of Hisar, it still has an 8 km range, and it already has a launcher that we can probably integrate with the ships easily.

 

[Yasar_TR]

This is Levent point defence system. It has a Sungur missile and a bigger longer range Levent missile that Roketsan was developing.

Quote:
Roketsan envisaging to use it from on board UAVs, as well as for naval purposes. Depending on the type of target and on the intercept range, the 8 km Sungur and the new Levent missile, which is still in the concept design phase, according to Roketsan officials , will be used. It will definitely be a bigger missile than the Sungur, will work at high supersonic speed, and will have a greater range and a wider envelop, however no more data were delivered due to the early state of development. According to released information Levent will feature manual, semi-automatic and fully automatic modes, and will be able to operate autonomously or in integration with the vessel’s sensor systems. The missile will leverage the R&D work carried out in seeker heads, RF sensors, proximity sensors, etc, and will include many subsystems developed in earlier air defence projects.
Unquote.

The larger Levent missile, although not disclosed, may well be based on a Bozdogan or even Gokdogan with a decent altitude and a longer range than any improved Sungur missile which has a range of 8km and an altitude of 4km. These two missiles and a Gokdeniz CIWS would give a fairly good layered air defence cover to the ship as far as point defence goes.

In stead of messing up the deck or hangar top of the Ada Class to include VLS missiles, augmenting the point defence system it has, may prove to be a better and more economical choice. It has also be remembered that the main Oto Melara gun is also capable of being used as an air defence weapon with a range of 16+km, after Aselsan developed fire control system is incorporated.

 

[Saithan]

https://x.com/msi_dergisi/status/1721533646786400736?s=46&t=DEy7rapS0QQE2YE7LHul5g

Nice usv for discovery, recon and other stuff under water.