TR Navy Naval Programs

[Sanchez]

First of the new 8 LCTs were launched today.

"The Ç-159 class will be able to carry and land all tanks and armored vehicles in the TAF inventory, including the Altay tank. The ships were specially designed for dropping off and picking up ZAHAs.

In addition to military missions, the ships will be able to carry out missions such as civilian vehicle and personnel transportation in conditions such as fires, floods and earthquakes, and transportation to places that cannot be reached by land.

The construction of Ç-159, the first ship of the 8-unit project, was successfully completed only 10 months after the contract was signed. The ship will enter the inventory of the Turkish Naval Forces after outfitting and testing activities. 6 ships are planned to be launched in 2025. The ships are the fastest landing ships of their class in the world."

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1893230563693040121

 

[Sanchez]

From Coast Guard 2024 report:

"Within the scope of the National Coast Guard Ship project, 2+6 ships will enter the Coast Guard Command inventory. The first ship will be launched in 2027 and the second ship in 2028. Main and auxiliary diesel engines will be indigenous."

Looks like an Ares design. Interesting aft design, will the RHIBs/USVs be able to be launched from the aft without the need for a crane? And no hangar for a long range ship seems interesting. What do you think @Anmdt ?

 

[boredaf]

From Coast Guard 2024 report:

"Within the scope of the National Coast Guard Ship project, 2+6 ships will enter the Coast Guard Command inventory. The first ship will be launched in 2027 and the second ship in 2028. Main and auxiliary diesel engines will be indigenous."

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Looks like an Ares design. Interesting aft design, will the RHIBs/USVs be able to be launched from the aft without the need for a crane? And no hangar for a long range ship seems interesting. What do you think @Anmdt ?

That looks very lightly armed, 1 40mm (might be even smaller) and 2 12.7, I think?

 

[TR_123456]

That looks very lightly armed, 1 40mm (might be even smaller) and 2 12.7, I think?

Not enough for a Coast Guard vessel?

 

[boredaf]

Not enough for a Coast Guard vessel?

If the plan is to use it on "open seas" to "protect our rights and interests", yeah, I think it is too light.

 

[Sanchez]

That looks very lightly armed, 1 40mm (might be even smaller) and 2 12.7, I think?

I think for a ship like this being able to operate at rough seas and having water cannons are bigger capabilities. They will be smaller than Dost Class corvettes, which are armed with a twin forty. Navy is already getting enough ships with the OPVs and Istifs, they won't need these. Coast Guard is now fully civilian for better or worse.

I knew I had seen this design before and it was Ares. I'm not sure if that heli landing spot can accommodate a 6 ton helicopter, maybe UAV only. From 2022:

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Looks like Turkish Coast Guard modernization project is reviving. Ares Shipyard introduces an updated design (above) of ARES 65 OPV in CG role.
Notice the new ULAQ variant at the aft-platform. The specs are saying, the side-RHIB stations also supports a variant of ULAQ.

The old design (below) is given for the reference to notice the changes, probably related to an updated requirement.

 

[TR_123456]

If the plan is to use it on "open seas" to "protect our rights and interests", yeah, I think it is too light.

I wanted to answer that its not like these are ''stand alone ships/boats),they are part of our doctrine but @Sanchez already beat me to it.
Btw,the forum is under attack again,thats why everything slow and double triple posts.
We are dealing with it.
Comrade @blackjack ,tell your people to stop the attack,we have no issues with Russia.

 

[boredaf]

I wanted to answer that its not like these are ''stand alone ships/boats),they are part of our doctrine but @Sanchez already beat me to it.
Btw,the forum is under attack again,thats why everything is slow and double triple posts.
We are dealing with it.
Comrade @blackjack ,tell your people to stop the attack,we have no issues with Russia.

And here I thought @Sanchez was just mad at me and fair point both of you, especially about coast guard being more civilian than military.

 

[Anmdt]

We could have the Turkish Karakurt Class with Gezgins instead

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If they were fitting a strike length MIDLAS we would have noticed that from moon.

From Coast Guard 2024 report:

"Within the scope of the National Coast Guard Ship project, 2+6 ships will enter the Coast Guard Command inventory. The first ship will be launched in 2027 and the second ship in 2028. Main and auxiliary diesel engines will be indigenous."

View attachment 73798

Looks like an Ares design. Interesting aft design, will the RHIBs/USVs be able to be launched from the aft without the need for a crane? And no hangar for a long range ship seems interesting. What do you think @Anmdt ?

We shall look at other companies' bid, STM is bidding with 1041/71 and similarly has no proper landing deck while TAIS's bid has a proper 10 tonnes handling capable landing deck.

Since the ship is not made with a dedicated helicopter in mind and it is considered that a helicopter may dispatch from a nearby land, and it is complete another matter to dispatch - retrieve a helicopter in rough seas, it must have been decided that a landing deck or JP5 transfer mechanism at minimum is sufficient.

Though i am surprised we didn't make a coast guard out of Milgem design. 1200 tonnes, 2000 tonnes, what matters that much? Get a Milgem, get it lighter, add MKE 76mm and 25mm's and go. Perfect dual use, ready for action when needed.

Fantasies apart; the shown ship is designed by Ares in cooperation with CG personnel. But SSB will make the final decision. TAIS, STM and ARES and possibly and individual shipyard has got the RfP and will bid, or have bid.

 

[Sanchez]

1200 tonnes, 2000 tonnes,

and the new 3100 tonnes CG-3100 from STM.

 

[zio]

A clear message-1923-
This ship will be first one powered by national systems,tubitak rute and or mavi batu.

 

[zio]

Link for siper on board maim mast P1222 hisar class

 

[zio]

Most of the acoustic projets are finished with success,the only ones two of them are not clear yet single crystal sonars.stealth material for acustic signals.

 

[Kaan Azman]

Link for siper on board maim mast P1222 hisar class

Not necessarily for SİPER, those datalink antennas are used for naval air defence missiles as a whole. SİPER 1D, HİSAR-D, G/M-1, and GÖKSUR all use this antenna. Besides, those ships still lack adequate searching radar for SİPER, maybe if they get CENK 300-N.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

What is the difference with other 150-class ships that were produced by 2013? They seem to be the same class.

Also, what is the condition of the older 140-class ships from 1990? Are they modernized, or will these new LCTs replace them?

 

[Anmdt]

and the new 3100 tonnes CG-3100 from STM.

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I suppose this was recommended to Malaysian coast guard as the mothership, but somehow someone wanted to make Seft and Desan richer and asked/suggested for designing a hull from scratch.

The same hull can be used in smaller form, shorter like Ada class instead of being as long as Istanbul Class is. Got a hangar, more facilities.

I expected this one (but shorter, about 100 meters like Ada class) to be selected for CG programmes so that when CG needs a bigger platform in future they may operate bigger versions too.

The program was initially 600 tonnes CG cutter and lead into a design surpassing 1200 tonnes already. Knowing the tendencies and the idea of adding spare engines to be tested on board ( likely a CODOD since the main engines shall sail the ship at requirement points) the tonnage will safely exceed 1400 tonnes in final design.

Just got a skinny Ada class at 1800 tonnes, and scale from there on as CG may need in future is the smartest move. Why CG attempts to differ from TN?

 

[Sanchez]

Why CG attempts to differ from TN?

More than likely different pie, different contractors, different hands.

 

[Saithan]

More than likely different pie, different contractors, different hands.

Which is why Greek Navy can come sailing into our territorial waters. TCG deviates too far from strict doctrine TN follows.

 

[Huelague]

Which is why Greek Navy can come sailing into our territorial waters. TCG deviates too far from strict doctrine TN follows.

Exactly.

 

[Kaan Azman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1896928117450801181

A detailed article on Barbaros MLU, not only about the installed systems but also background considerations in terms of enginieering