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Advantage? It was made to be cheap, that's all, and besides it is more spacious and more seaworthy but i don't think Thai authorities have considered that one rigorously.
Two major advantages;
Cheap
Continuation of the first frigate of the Royal Thai Navy, similar hull, similar deck layout.
İnteresting 🤔 I thought İstif class was cheaper because of light weight.
Beside Turkish Navy, Why would one buy İstif class if it is less cheap, less spacious and less seaworthy?
 

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İnteresting 🤔 I thought İstif class was cheaper because of light weight.
Beside Turkish Navy, Why would one buy İstif class if it is less cheap, less spacious and less seaworthy?
The size (steel + processing + construction) roughly makes 10~15% of the total costs.
On top of that we base base equipment necessary for a ship which is nearly indifferent to size except of the main engines and related auxiliaries.
Then comes the machinery (redundancy) for being a military ship which slightly depends on the size
Then comes the electronics, and then the weapons.

So, you could double size of İstif just for an additional +$70-85 millions (export price, FY2026) which is 15% of the known export price..
 

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The size (steel + processing + construction) roughly makes 10~15% of the total costs.
On top of that we base base equipment necessary for a ship which is nearly indifferent to size except of the main engines and related auxiliaries.
Then comes the machinery (redundancy) for being a military ship which slightly depends on the size
Then comes the electronics, and then the weapons.

So, you could double size of İstif just for an additional +$70-85 millions (export price, FY2026) which is 15% of the known export price..
Appreciate. Absolutely why not. I always wondered how much size effect on total cost.

5500 ton frigate for additional 15 percentage of costs. Sounds interesting 🤔
 

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what about size ? İ hope will be bigger and with 32 VLS , Just around 130 meter i think will be good to add another 16 VLS system 😍
atp imo a new bigger frigate design is needed perhaps with 32-48 VLS Cells something closer to the fremms in size and displacement to act as heavier Istifs and protect Turkeys interests even further smth with at least 5000-7000nm range.
 

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Türkiye's National Aircraft Carrier (MUGEM) project is taking shape as one of the most ambitious Turkish defense industry projects of the past quarter century. Construction began in January 2025, with steel hull blocks now being assembled. The carrier is scheduled to take to the sea in September 2027 and enter service with the Turkish Naval Forces in 2032, when it is expected to become the largest platform ever operated by the force.

Designed to accommodate a crew and military force of approximately 2,500 personnel, MUGEM will be protected by a massive naval task force consisting of different types of warships. The Turkish aircraft carrier will be escorted by domestically developed destroyers, frigates and submarines, as well as air-defense platforms. The carrier is expected to accommodate nearly 50 aircraft of different types. Accompanied by logistics vessels, MUGEM is being designed as the largest warship in the Mediterranean.
 

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Türkiye's National Aircraft Carrier (MUGEM) project is taking shape as one of the most ambitious Turkish defense industry projects of the past quarter century. Construction began in January 2025, with steel hull blocks now being assembled. The carrier is scheduled to take to the sea in September 2027 and enter service with the Turkish Naval Forces in 2032, when it is expected to become the largest platform ever operated by the force.

Designed to accommodate a crew and military force of approximately 2,500 personnel, MUGEM will be protected by a massive naval task force consisting of different types of warships. The Turkish aircraft carrier will be escorted by domestically developed destroyers, frigates and submarines, as well as air-defense platforms. The carrier is expected to accommodate nearly 50 aircraft of different types. Accompanied by logistics vessels, MUGEM is being designed as the largest warship in the Mediterranean.

I think MUGEM needs to be judged as a task force plus air wing, not just a hull. When you break it down piece by piece the picture gets a lot less clean than the headline delivery date suggests.

On escort and logistics side: The Tepe-class (TF-2000) lead ship, TCG Kocatepe, is tracking for launch in 2028 and delivery in 2030. Against MUGEM's 2032 in-service date that leaves a two year buffer, so in theory the first unit makes it. But one destroyer does not make a task force. You need at least three hulls before you have any real depth, and getting units two and three built and worked up on that same clock is a separate question from getting unit one delivered.

There is also a role gap worth flagging. Tepe-class is optimized for area air defense, that is its whole reason for existing, and the published spec sheet does list a towed array sonar and torpedo tubes, so it is not blind underwater. But its propulsion and speed profile are built around the air defense mission, not the low noise sustained transit that a dedicated ASW escort needs. A purpose built ASW frigate in the 5,000 to 6,000 ton range is exactly the kind of platform a carrier group leans on, and there is no public plan for one right now.

MILDEN, the national submarine program, is still at the early stage. If a submarine is going to screen the task force early on it is most likely going to be a Reis-class boat pulled in for forward patrol duty, not a MILDEN unit, since that build timeline realistically runs past 2030.

On logistics, TCG DERYA has been in service for years and does its job fine, but construction of a second replenishment ship in that class has not started. One ship covering sustained task force logistics is thin, and if the second hull is not in the water by 2032 that is a real continuity risk, not a paperwork detail.

AND, air wing, and this is the fragile part: The 45 to 60 aircraft air wing is supposed to be built around the naval Hurjet, Kizilelma variants, TB-3, Anka-3, and eventually a naval KAAN if the ship ever gets catapult capability in future. Worth being blunt here, a manned fifth generation naval aircraft is not a program yet, it is a "maybe".

Naval Hurjet needs a proper STOBAR package, arrestor hook, strengthened undercarriage, corrosion protection, and on top of that now confirmed the engine is moving to the F414, which drags in intake redesign and a real chunk of structural rework. That is a four to six year engineering bill in practice, and it lines up right against the 2032 date with no slack.

Kizilelma in its current form was designed for land based ops. A carrier compatible version needs its own dense development track, and my guess is the first naval variant keeps the same subsonic envelope as the baseline aircraft rather than getting a clean sheet redesign. Anka-3 testing needs to hit maturity soon too, with a naval variant scaled up and into testing by the early 2030s if it is going to matter for this timeline.

Gokbey is actually the one bright spot on paper, dipping sonar integration work with Armelsan is underway, which shows real progress on the systems side. But there is still no clear structural navalization timeline, most likely the first version just gets the existing airframe with some corrosion mitigation bolted on. The real answer here is T925, and TUSAS has apparently prioritized it, but with full system integration and flight testing still ahead, that program has maybe five to six years to be genuinely carrier ready, which is a tight ask.

Long story short, the hull plus escort numbers can probably be forced to line up with 2032, minus a proper ASW frigate in the mix. The air wing is the weakest leg by a clear margin. Given the schedule slips we have already watched play out on programs like Altay, I would put more weight on MUGEM entering service in 2032 with a thin, drone heavy flight deck than on it showing up with a fully mixed manned and unmanned air wing on day one.
 
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