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[Anmdt]

They are not have same specs. Radar range, aircraft seek range etc.

Mar is land version,lighter
Mar-d is naval version thus it is different.
My point is , they are not exactly the same radar and the radar on gokdeniz is mar-d.
A land radar can not be used off the shelf on naval platform it needs to be modified.
The -D attachment in the rear of Mar indicates it is a naval radar.
Like gokdeniz was actually referred as Korkut-D initially.

X band functionality (8 to 12 GHz frequency range) is optimal for minimizing low-altitude propagation effects, narrow beam width for best tracking accuracy, wide frequency bandwidth for effective target discrimination, and the target illumination.
Without x band type-45 is not a truly air defence frigate.
Without x band radar how it could be make effective anti balistic defence ?

He just talk about software modifications also.

On the other hand from your side arleigh burke's use sm-3 only with s band without x band.

"The AN/SPY-3 was originally to be combined with the S Band AN/SPY-4 under the designator "Dual Band Radar" on both the Zumwalt Class (DDG-1000) destroyer and Ford Class (CVN-78) aircraft carrier. On 2 June 2010, Pentagon acquisition chief Ashton Carter announced that they will be removing the SPY-4 S-band Volume Search Radar from the DDG 1000's dual-band radar to reduce costs as part of the Nunn-McCurdy certification process. Due to the SPY-4 removal, SPY-3 radar is to have software modifications so as to perform a volume search functionality."

This also explains how a dual band radar is created. It is combination of X and S band modules to a single backend.
It was my mistake that i have interpreted it wrong as if an spy 3 was a dual band radar.
An spy 3 is an x band radar, optionally considered for DBR, combined with an spy 4 and later S band (an spy 4) modules were dropped.

So dual band radar is not something in software level.

Read the part you have attached carefully. It is referred to software modifications required for X band radar (an spy 3), to make it capable of volume search.

 

[Anmdt]

Aster missiles have active radar seeker unlike SM-2 and ESSM.

ESSM block II has active RF seeker.

 

[Turko]

Aster missiles have active radar seeker unlike SM-2 and ESSM.

The SM-2 Block IIIC is a new variant featuring an active radar seeker and is expected to be deployed by the U.S. Navy surface fleet by October 2022.

New missile system will incorporate the active homing seeker of the SM-6 ERAM into the existing SM-2 airframe.

US approves possible foreign sale of SM-2 Block IIIC missiles for Cana

According to information published by the United States Department of Defense (DoD) on November 5, 2020, the U.S. State Department has made a determination

www.navyrecognition.com

 

[Brave Janissary]

Mar is land version,lighter
Mar-d is naval version thus it is different.
My point is , they are not exactly the same radar and the radar on gokdeniz is mar-d.
A land radar can not be used off the shelf on naval platform it needs to be modified.
The -D attachment in the rear of Mar indicates it is a naval radar.
Like gokdeniz was actually referred as Korkut-D initially.

"The AN/SPY-3 was originally to be combined with the S Band AN/SPY-4 under the designator "Dual Band Radar" on both the Zumwalt Class (DDG-1000) destroyer and Ford Class (CVN-78) aircraft carrier. On 2 June 2010, Pentagon acquisition chief Ashton Carter announced that they will be removing the SPY-4 S-band Volume Search Radar from the DDG 1000's dual-band radar to reduce costs as part of the Nunn-McCurdy certification process. Due to the SPY-4 removal, SPY-3 radar is to have software modifications so as to perform a volume search functionality."

This also explains how a dual band radar is created. It is combination of X and S band modules to a single backend.
It was my mistake that i have interpreted it wrong as if an spy 3 was a dual band radar.
An spy 3 is an x band radar, optionally considered for DBR, combined with an spy 4 and later S band (an spy 4) modules were dropped.

So dual band radar is not something in software level.

Read the part you have attached carefully. It is referred to software modifications required for X band radar (an spy 3), to make it capable of volume search.

An-spy 3 radar x band range is 320 km around so you say usa decide 320 km long range search is enough for zumwaltt.

C'moon.

 

[Brave Janissary]

Aster missiles have active radar seeker unlike SM-2 and ESSM.

Active radar seeker doesnt mean they have dont need any radar. İt isnt fully active radar guided. İt will reach mid course with data link after that they use active radar seeker. His radar seeker range unkown

 

[Anmdt]

An-spy 3 radar x band range is 320 km around so you say usa decide 320 km long range search is enough for zumwaltt.

C'moon.

Why not? Zumwalt is not an ABM destroyer. It is designed for deep strikes.

I am not telling this, but the source in wikipedia is telling that. So it means it was verified.
The source in wikipedia :

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/weapons/RL32109.pdf

It was stated by pentagon acquisition chief.

320 km X band Aesa, sounds scary right?

 

[Brave Janissary]

Why not? Zumwalt is not an ABM defence destroyer. It is developed for deep strikes.

I am not telling this, but the source in wikipedia is telling that. So it means it was verified.

320 km X band Aesa, sounds scary right?

Look my man it's 4 billion + dollar unit priced ship.
Even our Tf-2000 cost around 1 billion and he have minnimum 450 km s band range . End I think it's more than him . We are know Çafrad umr actually 4 faced version of eirs and all of us know his range more than 600+ km .
Another example French and greek fti only have s band aesa. There is no x band radar on him. Bad greeks talk about it's more advanced ship and it can be use aster-30 very effectively.

And yes 320 km x band radar range is very scarry. Almost eirs sized x band radar plate. Just wow.

 

[Anmdt]

Look my man it's 4 billion + dollar unit priced ship.
Even our Tf-2000 cost around 1 billion and he have minnimum 450 km s band range . End I think it's more than him . We are know Çafrad umr actually 4 faced version of eirs and all of us know his range more than 600+ km .
Another example French and greek fti only have s band aesa. There is no x band radar on him. Bad greeks talk about it's more advanced ship and it can be use aster-30 very effectively.

And yes 320 km x band radar range is very scarry. Almost eirs sized x band radar plate. Just wow.

You can discuss this with pentagon It has an spy 3 X band aesa of 320 km range, that is it. I am not making this up. It is as it is. You can further search what is the x band intended for and how it is superior to an S band in certain missions.
TF-2000 is mainly an AAW - ABD and secondarily is a multi purpose destroyer (ASW).

USN has other ships to cover long range air defense.

Again wikipedia:

"It is a multi-role class that was designed for secondary roles of surface warfare and anti-aircraft warfare and originally designed with a primary role of naval gunfire support. The class design emerged from the DD-21 "land attack destroyer" program as "DD(X)" and was intended to take the role of battleships in meeting a congressional mandate for naval fire support.[12] The ship is designed around its two Advanced Gun Systems, their turrets and magazines, and unique Long Range Land Attack Projectile (LRLAP) ammunition.[9] LRLAP procurement was cancelled, rendering the guns unusable,[9] so the Navy re-purposed the ships for surface warfare"

Check out the bold parts only.
Primary role is naval gunfire support, then land attack and lastly ( second priority in secondary roles) AAW.
Quite different than TF-2000 which is primarily an AAW and ABD Destroyer.

However since LRLAP and advanced guns are scrapped the ship will evolve into something else by time and we can discuss it then.

 

[Reviewbrah]

İ understand you but at hand we have already had ADA-Class corvettes that have a solid radar without G40s, HİSAR-O rf even ESSMs.

There are conservative decision makers in TN.

Haven't you read my entries , how i suffer myself offering for Tuzla-Class, Türkish point defence systems which equivalent of C-Dome or Sea Ceptor .
by the way C-Dome is renown for cheap costs.
TN liked SUNGUR so I'm miserable.

ADA Corvettes need ESSM/G40s ,with SMART-S; Tuzla class patrol boats need / C-Dome/Sea captor with MAR-D.

Ada-class "corvette" has capabilities that most frigates don't have. For example, even without VLS, its better than Yavuz-class frigate in every aspect. I am talking about an actual corvette that would cost-effectively increase power projection capabilities of the Turkish Navy.

That aside, adding VLS to Ada-class in short term would be such great capability boost that it would push Greece to buy new frigates.

I believe Tuzla-class would eventually receive Sungur Manpads, capability to shoot medium range anti ship missile and some electronic upgrades.

Do we have indigenous C-Dome or RAM projects ? Please enlighten me i can't sleep.

SAPAN project which is told to be similar to RIM-116.

Aselsan is told to be working on a C-RAM missile. Maybe that would evolve to something like C-DOME

 

[Anmdt]

Do we have indigenous C-Dome or RAM projects ? Please enlighten me i can't sleep.

It makes sense both projects to co-exists.
Maybe one can be based on bozdogan bvr like RAM-sidewinder and another smaller one based on sungur.
I don't really know anything about those and hope something to be revealed in IDEF.

 

[chngr]

Active radar seeker doesnt mean they have dont need any radar. İt isnt fully active radar guided. İt will reach mid course with data link after that they use active radar seeker. His radar seeker range unkown

With active seeker it doesnt need X band radar for terminal terminal phase.

S-Band radar is enough for midcourse

 

[chngr]

I know ESSM block II and SM-2 BlockIIIC have active seeker but they are not operational...I'm not talking about them.

 

[Brave Janissary]

With active seeker it doesnt need X band radar for terminal terminal phase.

S-Band radar is enough for midcourse

X band radar doesnt used for target guidance, they are using provide more clear target imagine for engage effectiveness . Aster class missiles doesnt have 120 km ranged active radar seeker.

 

[Brave Janissary]

Egypt Navy Can Be Reach Same Level With Turkey In Short Term ?

Mısır Donanması Kısa Vadede Türk Donanmasını Yakalayabilir mi ? Güneydeki Tehlike: Mısır

Bilindiği gibi bir müslüman ülkesi olan Mısır, Doğu Akdeniz'de ne yazıkki Türkiye'ye karşı bir konum almış durumdadır. Mısır Ordusu'nun kurm...

gerceksavunmasanayi.blogspot.com

 

[Hexciter]

I know ESSM block II and SM-2 BlockIIIC have active seeker but they are not operational...I'm not talking about them.

Standard missile with the active seeker is SM-6 and operational but just in US Navy

 

[chngr]

X band radar doesnt used for target guidance, they are using provide more clear target imagine for engage effectiveness . Aster class missiles doesnt have 120 km ranged active radar seeker.

You can't understand?

You don't need more clear target imagine for midcourse.Clear imagine is needed in Terminal Phase...But there is active seeker for terminal phase

We can use S-Band Smart-Smk2 for midcourse...US use S-band SPY-1 for midcourse.

 

[ekemenirtu]

Could any member provide me with the number of VLS cells in operation with the Turkish Navy right now?

I would appreciate it a lot.

What would be a reasonable target for the number of VLS cells in the Turkish Navy 2030? And by 2035?

Feel free to share your opinions.

 

[Hexciter]

Could any member provide me with the number of VLS cells in operation with the Turkish Navy right now?

I would appreciate it a lot.

What would be a reasonable target for the number of VLS cells in the Turkish Navy 2030? And by 2035?

Feel free to share your opinions.

No hope! It’s classified.

 

[Nutuk]

Our 4 modernized Perry clas have 1x8 cell VLS
Our Barbaros class Meko 200's have 2x8 cell VLS

8 of our ships have VLS currently

 

[adenl]

4x Gabya class with 1x8 VLS
2x Barbaros class with 1x8 VLS
2x Salih Reis class with 2x8 VLS

6x8=48
16x2=32
48+32=80 VLS in Turkish navy service