TR Navy Navy|News & Discussions

[TheInsider]

Yes, Italian engines will be locally produced by BMC under a license.

 

[Huelague]

The thing is if get another LHD then we will need more aaw Frigates/destroyers so maybe a thinned down version like Asfat 3600

Not to mention that 3-4 TF-2000 are officially needed to protect the whole coast of our Land.

 

[UkroTurk]

Need for TF-2000 is imperial ambitions in near east. Do our coasts really need air defense heavy frigate TF-2000?

Land based Çakır launchers, UAVs, USV, unmanned subs, Fast Attack Crafts and Tuzla Class patrol boats are enough for our costs.

 

[TR_123456]

Need for TF-2000 is imperial ambitions in near east. Do our coasts really need air defense heavy frigate TF-2000?

Its not about the coasts,its about Air Defence for most of our territory.

 

[boredaf]

Need for TF-2000 is imperial ambitions in near east. Do our coasts really need air defense heavy frigate TF-2000?

Land based Çakır launchers, UAVs, USV, unmanned subs, Fast Attack Crafts and Tuzla Class patrol boats are enough for our costs.

You're comparing apples to oranges here, those platforms you mention and TF2000 have different tasks. TF2000 would be like having a first line of defence against enemy air strikes from the sea, giving us even more cover.

 

[zio]

This is not a FAC (Fast Attack Craft). This is a light corvette or we can call it a heavy gunboat, to bring back gunboat legacy.
IMHO, Navy still needs a true FAC design to complement this, optimized for speed and firepower instead of endurance and tonnage. It can be either manned or unmanned. Speed around 55 knots 8x SSM+smaller tactical missiles, 35mm CIWS at the front, RAM at the back. 400-450 tonnes displacement.

No they turn away that idea,remember STM design with 55 knots,its not good for bad whether even for island sea,you can not even stand up position on board with 55 knot/400 ton FAC.Üsküdar biz have good article for that idea.

 

[UkroTurk]

Its not about the coasts,its about Air Defence for most of our territory.

You're comparing apples to oranges here, those platforms you mention and TF2000 have different tasks. TF2000 would be like having a first line of defence against enemy air strikes from the sea, giving us even more cover.

Coastal line 6 miles!!, EEZ max 100 miles( just in Mediterranean sea) !!! For it no country in the world builds an air defense heavy frigate!!! TF 2000 won't work in 100miles of our shores. ( I hope)

Land based Siper, Hisar, atmaca, Çakır systems could cover our shores. There would be some gaps ,it could be solved by i-class light frigates. Even Tuzla Class with Göksur is enough.

 

[boredaf]

Coastal line 6 miles!!, EEZ max 100 miles( just in Mediterranean sea) !!! For it no country in the world builds an air defense heavy frigate!!! TF 2000 won't work in 100miles of our shores. ( I hope)

An air defence destroyer protect a certain range around it, limited by its sensors and munitions. Creates an umbrella, so to speak. It would protect our ships but also creates a first line of defence against attack coming from the sea, if it is in the right position at the moment. It's not like an enemy can just sneak ships in position, even submarines are a difficult matter at times.

 

[UkroTurk]

An air defence destroyer protect a certain range around it, limited by its sensors and munitions. Creates an umbrella, so to speak. It would protect our ships but also creates a first line of defence against attack coming from the sea, if it is in the right position at the moment. It's not like an enemy can just sneak ships in position, even submarines are a difficult matter at times.

What about I-class frigate instead of destroyer?

As I said TF2000 is for imperial ambitions!! Using TF 2000 in coastal defense is waste of money.

 

[Strong AI]

Coastal line 6 miles!!, EEZ max 100 miles( just in Mediterranean sea) !!! For it no country in the world builds an air defense heavy frigate!!! TF 2000 won't work in 100miles of our shores. ( I hope)

Land based Siper, Hisar, atmaca, Çakır systems could cover our shores. There would be some gaps ,it could be solved by i-class light frigates. Even Tuzla Class with Göksur is enough.

Don't forget that MUGEM will need air defence too.
EDIT
And don't see it as a pure air defence destroyer, those VLS will have packed very sharp teeth too.

 

[UkroTurk]

Don't forget that MUGEM will need air defence too.

That's what I meant. It is about imperial ambitions. BTW I don't mind having imperial ambitions!!!

 

[Strong AI]

That's what I meant. It is about imperial ambitions. BTW I don't mind having imperial ambitions!!!

I wouldn't say that. Afaik TF2000 was planned way before plans of an Aircraft carrier like MUGEM. But i am not sure about that.

 

[Saithan]

There is no imperial ambitions. What matters is we protect what is ours and don't give room for megalomania or howbwest loves to stick it to us like ww1 and aftermath of ww2. Absolute Dominion over Mavi Vatan is necessary.

 

[Zafer]

imperial ambitions!!

Imperial is so past century, today we talk about interests, of ours and of our friendly nations'. It is the same for everyone who has power. You want to protect your interests agains hostiles. You want to have a space center in Somalia you have to protect it. You want to explore and extract hydrocarbons you better protect your drill ships and your merchant fleet. So homeland is only part of the coverage you want to have.

 

[Huelague]

Need for TF-2000 is imperial ambitions in near east. Do our coasts really need air defense heavy frigate TF-2000?

Land based Çakır launchers, UAVs, USV, unmanned subs, Fast Attack Crafts and Tuzla Class patrol boats are enough for our costs.

Imagine a heavy missile strike from Russia. Better to intercept most missiles over Blacksea. Same goes for Greek and Mediterranean.

 

[UkroTurk]

Imagine a heavy missile strike from Russia. Better to intercept most missiles over Blacksea. Same goes for Greek and Mediterranean.

I class frigates frigates could intercept since they have same missiles. Moreover 3-4 I class frigates would be more effective and safer rather than one big heavy frigate.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

I class frigates frigates could intercept since they have same missiles. Moreover 3-4 I class frigates would be more effective and safer rather than one big heavy frigate.

Dude, having TF2000 is simply cool asf, thats enough reason...

 

[TheInsider]

No they turn away that idea,remember STM design with 55 knots,its not good for bad whether even for island sea,you can not even stand up position on board with 55 knot/400 ton FAC.Üsküdar biz have good article for that idea.

I have my own ideas, they have theirs. Land forces push for 70-tonne behemoths. Era of tanks is not over, but the era of 70tonne behemoths are over if they can't see this, it is their problem, not mine. Similarly, speed and firepower still reign supreme at sea, especially for a country such as ours that has long shores to inland seas. Jean Ecole is not dead. You won't stand up on board such a vessel. When it's at full speed, the crew will probably be strapped to F1-style seats. Such a vessel will be utilized for lightning-fast hit-and-run tactics. It won't stay on the open seas for a long time, several days at most. If navy wants to utilize unmanned systems for that role, i support it.

 

[Turkic]

I class frigates frigates could intercept since they have same missiles. Moreover 3-4 I class frigates would be more effective and safer rather than one big heavy frigate.

You would always have to use four I-class frigates together because one of them has 16 VLS cells, which can only intercept a swarm of 64 Shahed drones at best and you shouldn't have any Siper's on board for this number. Also there's no guarantee 64 of them will be successfully shot down by a single missile.

Where one TF-2000 (let's say 64 of its VLS cells are equipped with AD missiles, including 24 Siper and 160 Hisar/Sapan) can stop 20 of them while they are 100 km away and will have enough cards to play for the rest when they're in the range of 160 Hisar missiles.

 

[UkroTurk]

You would always have to use four I-class frigates together because one of them has 16 VLS cells, which can only intercept a swarm of 64 Shahed drones at best and you shouldn't have any Siper's on board for this number. Also there's no guarantee 64 of them will be successfully shot down by a single missile.

Where one TF-2000 (let's say 64 of its VLS cells are equipped with AD missiles, including 24 Siper and 160 Hisar/Sapan) can stop 20 of them while they are 100 km away and will have enough cards to play for the rest when they're in the range of 160 Hisar missiles.

Shahid drones need different solutions such as SUNGUR, GÖKSUR, LEVENT. Even they should be combined with korkut35mm.
I i-class should have additional göksur /Levent Systems.