TR Nuclear Energy Program

[Huelague]

What do you mean?

Why China sends the turbines to germany and not Türkiye directly.

 

[Nilgiri]

Why China sends the turbines to germany and not Türkiye directly.

if so, obviously Germany owns some or all of the IP in question.

 

[Lool]

Why China sends the turbines to germany and not Türkiye directly.

Honestly, first time hearing that

All what I know is that Turkey first ordered the turbines from Siemens which then got stuck at German ports and customs which prompted Turkey to order the turbines from Chinese companies

That is as far as my info goes; seems like you know more about the issue than me bro

 

[Huelague]

Last NATO meeting, US and NATO were 'disappointed' about Turkeys Rostam decision.

 

[No Name]

Peeps I'd like to ask yall some shit.

See Akkuyu's agreement is actually public for us to view on the resmi gazete (a type of official journal for laws and such to be promulgated for the 1,5 non- turkish peeps reading) because the constitution states that all international agreements (barring few exceptions) approved by the government must also pass through the assembly to be approve the approval. "Onaylamayı uygun bulmak". Lmao.

Anyway the third clause's end goes
"2.23. Türkiye'deki nükleer yakıt üretim tesislerinin kurulması ve işletimi de dahil olmak üzere nükleer yakıt döngüsü;
2.24. Teknoloji transferi ve
2.25. Lisanslama ile nükleer tesisler ve aktivitelerin ve radyasyon emniyeti ve güvenliğinin denetimi alanında bilgi ve deneyim alışverişi."

Tech transfer in 2.24 is stated.

Yet I hear absolutely nothing about engineers being trained anywhere or anything of the sort, instead we hear drama about Russians calling it theirs and quite frankly flaunting it.

Do y'all believe that the government actually hopes to receive the capability to make nuclear reactors of our own from the Ruskies or is it a deal behind a deal sort of a thing, like the S-400? Because why else go hail-mary with every reactor maker ever? To diversify risks?

I haven't hearded anything about what tech was supposed to be transfered but their was report of Turks going to Russia to be trained.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1816095997564498221

 

[Chocopie]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1816095997564498221

Arabelle steam turbine. Made in France. Developed by Alstom, sold to GE Steam Power with retained IP rights and now again fully French owned as „Arabelle Solutions“ controlled by EDF.

 

[Huelague]

 

[Kartal1]

Please add a short explanation for the English speakers.

 

[No Name]

Please add a short explanation for the English speakers.

Germans are being A**holes again; thus, the project may be delayed for a couple of months, and Turkey is now to replace the German equipment with Chinese equipment; how's that for an explanation?

 

[Sanchez]

Germans are being A**holes again; thus, the project may be delayed for a couple of months, and Turkey is now taking orders to replace the German equipment with Chinese equipment; how's that for an explanation.

Turkey isn't doing anything. Akkuyu is not a Turkish project, Turkey doesn't pay for anything for Akkuyu. Per the news, due to German parts still not being sent months later, Rosatom have now ordered equivalent parts from Chinese firms.

"The opening of Turkey's first nuclear plant has been delayed after Germany's Siemens Energy withheld key parts, prompting Russia's Rosatom, the builder and owner, to buy them in China, the Turkish energy minister said on Wednesday.

Siemens's non-delivery will delay launching the Akkuyu power plant's first reactor by a few months, Minister Alparslan Bayraktar told state-run Anadolu agency. The decision likely stems from Western sanctions over Russia's war in Ukraine, he added.

Though Turkey had initially planned to start up Akkuyu's first reactor in 2023, delays have pushed that back to next year, with the remaining reactors to come online by the end of 2028.

A Siemens Energy spokesperson confirmed that some parts were not delivered to Turkey due to German export regulations. Bayraktar said that Rosatom, Russia's state nuclear energy company, has already struck deals with Chinese companies to produce equivalent parts, though he provided no company names.

"There are alternatives. Rosatom already ordered alternative parts from Chinese (firms), and they will come from China," Bayraktar said. Turkey could consider fines against Siemens Energy over the delay, even though it has worked with the German company for years, he said. "This attitude will make us question their position in future projects," he added.

The Siemens Energy spokesperson said: "Some parts were delivered a long time ago, but not for a good year now, due to export/customs licenses that have not yet been issued. We must of course comply with the export regulations."

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/turkish-nuclear-plant-delayed-by-withheld-siemens-parts-china-supply-2024-09-11/

 

[somegoodusername]

Akkuyu is not a Turkish project, Turkey doesn't pay for anything for Akkuyu.

True, Akkuyu is just a Russian Nuclear Power located in Turkey. If they don't to provide us energy, we cannot do anything about it.

 

[Sanchez]

True, Akkuyu is just a Russian Nuclear Power located in Turkey. If they don't to provide us energy, we cannot do anything about it.

By design, if it doesn't supply energy, Rosatom doesn't get paid. And it can only supply energy to Turkey, so only way for it to make money and recoup its 25 billion dollar cost is to sell energy to Turkey. We can use other energy sources, we have a huge LNG sector and US is always ready to sell.

 

[Isbara]

Arabelle steam turbine. Made in France. Developed by Alstom, sold to GE Steam Power with retained IP rights and now again fully French owned as „Arabelle Solutions“ controlled by EDF.

We need a "WTF ?" smiley ....

 

[Sanchez]

We need a "WTF ?" smiley ....

A bigger one as well, because it's the Germans hampering the installation with export controls, not the French, who as usual is more than happy to do business.

 

[somegoodusername]

By design, if it doesn't supply energy, Rosatom doesn't get paid. And it can only supply energy to Turkey, so only way for it to make money and recoup its 25 billion dollar cost is to sell energy to Turkey. We can use other energy sources, we have a huge LNG sector and US is always ready to sell.

Yes but, If Russia controls the supply 10% of your electricity production, that is a very big dependence. For 400 Russia and Turkey were in conflict, we never had friendly relations. There are still too many potential sources of conflicts between us. Will we be able to shot down another Russian plane that violates our airspace? There are rumors about Russia preparing a big operation in Idlib, will we be able to do anything about it with this much dependence to Russia. And, and, in addition to Akkuyu, Russia is building a second NPP to Sinop. We will be dependant on Russia in 20% of our electricity production. Total political failure.

Kudos to Putin. His government subdued the Turkish government without even paying a price, even getting paid by Turkey while doing it.

 

[Strong AI]

Yes but, If Russia controls the supply 10% of your electricity production, that is a very big dependence. For 400 Russia and Turkey were in conflict, we never had friendly relations. There are still too many potential sources of conflicts between us. Will we be able to shot down another Russian plane that violates our airspace? There are rumors about Russia preparing a big operation in Idlib, will we be able to do anything about it with this much dependence to Russia. And, and, in addition to Akkuyu, Russia is building a second NPP to Sinop. We will be dependant on Russia in 20% of our electricity production. Total political failure.

Kudos to Putin. His government subdued the Turkish government without even paying a price, even getting paid by Turkey while doing it.

https://www.energy.gov/energy-sources

We can use other energy sources

 

[somegoodusername]

https://www.energy.gov/energy-sources

https://www.energy.gov/energy-sources

10%+10% is a significant portion of electricity production. You can’t simply replace that much of your energy supply in a few years. Do you remember when Iran cut off our natural gas, and we couldn't keep our industry running? Any conflict with Russia would cripple our economy, thus force our government to make concessions to prevent it.

3 günlük üretim durdurmanın sanayiye maliyeti 1 milyar dolar

İran'ın Türkiye'ye doğalgaz akışını kesmesiyle başlayan enerji kısıtlamaları, önemli bir aşamaya giriyor. Bu hafta organize sanayi bölgeleri ve büyük sanayi tesislerinde elektrik kısıtlı kullanılacak. Birçok sanayi tesisinde üretim 3 gün süreyle duracak.

www.ntv.com.tr

Turkey's nuclear power plant to produce 10% of electricity need

Domestic, renewable energy in country's installed power has reached level of 63.7%, says president - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

 

[mehmed beg]

I believe that Nuclear Power Station is too heavy to load it on to the tracks

 

[Strong AI]

10%+10% is a significant portion of electricity production. You can’t simply replace that much of your energy supply in a few years. Do you remember when Iran cut off our natural gas, and we couldn't keep our industry running? Any conflict with Russia would cripple our economy, thus force our government to make concessions to prevent it.

3 günlük üretim durdurmanın sanayiye maliyeti 1 milyar dolar

İran'ın Türkiye'ye doğalgaz akışını kesmesiyle başlayan enerji kısıtlamaları, önemli bir aşamaya giriyor. Bu hafta organize sanayi bölgeleri ve büyük sanayi tesislerinde elektrik kısıtlı kullanılacak. Birçok sanayi tesisinde üretim 3 gün süreyle duracak.

www.ntv.com.tr

Turkey's nuclear power plant to produce 10% of electricity need

Domestic, renewable energy in country's installed power has reached level of 63.7%, says president - Anadolu Ajansı

www.aa.com.tr

That 10% is based on recent annual electricity consumption of Türkiye. So Türkiye is already able to cover that.
Do you understand what i mean?