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IC3M@N FX said:
And what is the right side?
Europe massively supports the CHP, DEM & Co so again what is the right side?
Do you really want a Turkish government controlled by the CIA and Europe like in the former Gladio Network Goverments until the 2000s?
A state within a state?
Only to hear years later from people that you didn't see it coming and didn't know?
When foreign countries provide massive media and organizational support to the opposition, and do so actively, it is a signal to me of what they want.


So what do you want? Because there's nothing in between....
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Erdogan and the AKP have demonstrated time and time again that they dont care to act against DEM and whatever other foreign supported groups there are. So since they have proven themselves unreliable and now even openly cooperate with them, why shold they ever be permitted to permanently seize power? They actively enable the threats to Turkish national security, whilst destroying any opportunity for the Turkish public to voice their opinion
 
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what said:
50% of your post is BS and conspiracy theories.
The World is not black and white, and the AKP is cozing up on DEM anyway. So whats your point? Continue with the dictator, let thousands be prisoned, billions be stolen because you believe the propaganda you are fed?
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@IC3M@N FX is right, it's not a conspiracy. Gladio Network exists and its two main arms to enact the green belt were İlim Yayma Cemiyeti and Komünizmle Mücadele Derneği. The two main offsprings of these two organizations were Cemaat and MHP (all prominent members were former members of the aforementioned two organizations). These were used to design politics in Turkey during the cold war and influence governments. (Read Paul L. Williams, Daniele Ganser, and above all Mumcu books; the Yurdakul & Yalçın book is not bad either)

But funny thing is they don't need to just influence governments and try to design politics no more. They have the government, judiciary, police, etc. There was a minor infighting, some of them were purged and sleekly the remaining ones sold this as purging of the aforementioned organizations.

You think Devlet Bahçeli is an independent actor? He's most probably dead but since there's nobody else to play that role to be the scapegoat for Erdoğan when the fake "Aldatıldık 2.0" comes about, they still carry messages from him so if they need to abort from the project (constitutional change) for now, they can feign innocence.

And it's true that some EU organizations support CHP, DEM, etc. Just how they had Saddam and helped him immensely during late 70s and 80s but also were cultivating relations with Talabanis and Barzanis or how they had Mohammad Reza Shah of Iran as a full-blown puppet but still hosted and supported Khomeini or how CIA funneled millions to the Italian Christian Democrats while also funding their far-right opposition. Declassified Chile files have shown how despite having Pinochet as a full-blown puppet, U.S. was also funding his opposition.

This is a very easy concept called a contingency plan tightly bound with such concepts as covert hedging and controlled opposition in intelligence talk. You can't be all in when what you're dealing with is a dynamic system and has unpredictable time-evolution series. As a rational actor you have to hedge your bets. What conspiracy theories dumbasses don't understand is that you can only do these things to the best of your ability which is still human-bound meaning these control systems themselves fail constantly and these things require a alot of walking tight ropes and constant fidgeting and hot swaps and have constant leaks and outlook overhauls as all long-term plans look fine only on paper.

But these are excuses AKP voters and Islamists use as self-consoling psychological apparatus. Not to be taken seriously. Consolidation of power (and hence wealth) in the hands of one party, esp. an ideologically rigid one not emanating from middle class educated masses (hence a very skewed distribution of wealth) for too long is the bane of all societies existence. Breaking this consolidation through any means is for the better.
 
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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1904122130012176547

The government authorized an investigation against 33 concerts in Ankara Metropolitan Municipality for public damage allegations.

Lol, fucking muppet show. This is the best they could come up with against Mansur Yavaş. We are practically a dictatorship now in which the dictator can eliminate his political rivals with various means, this time with the judiciary.

BTW a CHP proposal to investigate the concert expenditures of all municipalities in Turkiye was rejected in the Parliament with the votes of AKP and MHP deputies.
 
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mother Fucker tele 1 !! !! at 9:00 as usuall just like gezi when protest starts PKK members join the protest and make their pro kurdistan to show as if all the protestors are supporting PKK. when they come infront of protest lines and were saying kurdistan etc the whole protestors chanted " apo piçtir piç kalacak" in that moment Tele 1 cut the voice so as if there were no anti PKK protestors !! traitors
 
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These Islamists and traitors need the Ali Kemal treatment. But as usual, Turks need to be on the brink of catastrophe before they wake up and do anything. When you've got patriots being attacked by the police, but the Zagros donkeys can gather in their thousands with Siktirlan portraits and the rags of PKK and Kekostan, you're on the edge of losing the nation.
 
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No one will forget how young people were beaten and shot at while PKK supporters gather in peace.

These police officers don't deserve to get off easy, either. The people will not forget that the police is acting like Saddams Republican Guard.
 
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Looks like it's:

Pro Gov police
Foreign (and AKP) backed radical Islamists
So called ülkucüs
PKK

VS

Turkish nationalists
Kemalist Turkish nationalists
Tengrist Turkish nationalists
Turkish University students
left wing Turkish nationalists
right wing Turkish nationalists
Conservative Turkish nationalists
Muslim Turkish nationalists
Secular Turkish nationalists
Liberal Turkish nationalists
Apolitical Turkish nationalists
All Turks

TIME TO UNITE.

My nation was under occupation by Russians for a long time. Türkiye was lucky enough to have Atatürk, you all fought so bravely against imperialists and defeated them. Then Erdoğan came and undid it all in 20 years. Good luck!
 
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