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And what is the right side?
Europe massively supports the CHP, DEM & Co so again what is the right side?
Do you really want a Turkish government controlled by the CIA and Europe like in the former Gladio Network Goverments until the 2000s?
A state within a state?
Only to hear years later from people that you didn't see it coming and didn't know?
When foreign countries provide massive media and organizational support to the opposition, and do so actively, it is a signal to me of what they want.


So what do you want? Because there's nothing in between....
 
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And what is the right side?
Europe massively supports the CHP, DEM & Co so again what is the right side?
Do you really want a Turkish government controlled by the CIA and Europe like in the former Gladio Network Goverments until the 2000s?
A state within a state?
Only to hear years later from people that you didn't see it coming and didn't know?

So what do you want? Because there's nothing in between....

50% of your post is BS and conspiracy theories.
The World is not black and white, and the AKP is cozing up on DEM anyway. So whats your point? Continue with the dictator, let thousands be prisoned, billions be stolen because you believe the propaganda you are fed?
 

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And what is the right side?
Europe massively supports the CHP, DEM & Co so again what is the right side?
Do you really want a Turkish government controlled by the CIA and Europe like in the former Gladio Network Goverments until the 2000s?
A state within a state?
Only to hear years later from people that you didn't see it coming and didn't know?

Which one is right which wrong is not the question here.

The question is how can AKP/Erdogan accuse someone with theft/fraud (no matter if true or not) and radically remove him, when he himself is doing that for almost a 1/4 century at a much higher level. How can you fight people who protest this injustice and corruption while TERRORISTS celebrate dressed like TERRORISTS, singing TERRORIST slogans while waving TERRORIST flags? And they do all of this without anyone even touching them, no they even serve them cotton candy. Pahali olmasaydi Baklava ikram edeceklerdi, aq.

This is just an hypocritic attempt to eliminate someone who has the potential to threat his throne, this is just an shameless attempt to come closer to DEM and to guarantee another term...

CIA, EU, XYZ, NBA and all other 2/3 letters are just a cheap excuses and cope.
 

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50% of your post is BS and conspiracy theories.
The World is not black and white, and the AKP is cozing up on DEM anyway. So whats your point? Continue with the dictator, let thousands be prisoned, billions be stolen because you believe the propaganda you are fed?
How quickly perceptions change.
More or less confirmed as an open secret by the public, experts and government, officials that the Turkish governments were previously part of a network of state within the state, controlled and repeatedly brought into line. Is it now another legend and conspiracy? Interesting

So you want to tell me that the opposition is not corrupt and does not put money in its own pockets? That it doesn't distribute and spend commissions to its own people like the AKP/MHP? That is a question? and not an assertion. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that every Turkish government that has come and gone has been corrupt to the core.

So what do you want, or rather what are you looking for? If there is a change of government, some of the independent doors will definitely close.
The Europeans would call it a reassessment of politics. If arms projects are stopped, because that is what it will come down to, then you will all look stupid.
You think it won't happen, but it will happen with some meaningless justification, e.g. the policy of détente in the Aegean.
 
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How quickly perceptions change.
More or less confirmed as an open secret by the public, experts and government, officials that the Turkish governments were previously part of a network of state within the state, controlled and repeatedly brought into line. Is it now another legend and conspiracy? Interesting

So you want to tell me that the opposition is not corrupt and does not put money in its own pockets? That it doesn't distribute and spend commissions to its own people like the AKP/MHP? That is a question? and not an assertion. If there's one thing I've learned, it's that every Turkish government that has come and gone has been corrupt to the core.

So let me summarize:

Part 1: unfounded BS & conspriacy theories. Please deliver sources, be my guest.

Part 2: the other ones are corrupt too (again populistic, unfounded BS) why should we change something? Let us let the AKP and Erdogan steal for another 25 years.
 

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So let me summarize:

Part 1: unfounded BS & conspriacy theories. Please deliver sources, be my guest.

Part 2: the other ones are corrupt too (again populistic, unfounded BS) why should we change something? Let us let the AKP and Erdogan steal for another 25 years.
I'm not going to provide a smorgasbord of sources just to hear you disagree. This is for me burnt time, there is enough evidence like Susurluk, Kenan Evren coup featuring CIA and much more. It is up to you to perceive them or not, Turkey has always been like this, the population that is dissatisfied has always been masochistically inclined to want to be fucked harder and harder and if you would ask them after 2-3 years if something has changed form new Goverment, I would hear again from dissatisfied people that the current government is shit with the difference that they are fucked by ideologically like-minded people 😂.
Excuse my vulgar language but I can't put it any better than that.
 

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"102 years after the British, French and Italian occupation, enemy rags are still flying in Istanbul… Which war did we lose that the Turkish state is being subjected to this shame?"
The war of votes
This is the cruelty of democracy and why it wasnt, isnt, and wont be a good system at all

AKP is keeping silence to continue with their make-up plan with DEM for votes
CHP's Ozgur Ozel just apologised to all DEM voters who were insulted by Yavas for flying terror banners during Imamoglu's rally and reportedly some top CHP officials when quesrioned about Yavas's actions said that they only should believe whatever comes from the mouth of Ozgur Ozel only

As long as DEM has 8% of votes in a society so fragmented, expect the DEM to even ask for independence and one day either the AKP or CHP will approve

And that is why I said that if you wanna topple Erdogan, then you need a decent and clean person unlike the likes of Imamoglu or Ozel and Iam 100% sure that even with the current fiasco, Erdogan will win the next election as long as either Imamoglu or Ozel are in power

The CHP, as a party, is literally shunning away the only successful and clean politician, Mansur Yavas, just because he doesnt follow their pro-pkk narrative
 

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Erdoğan's followers on X have increased by 200k in the past few days - all fake troll accounts and bots to make him appear strong in the face of oblivion
 

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And what is the right side?
Europe massively supports the CHP, DEM & Co so again what is the right side?
Do you really want a Turkish government controlled by the CIA and Europe like in the former Gladio Network Goverments until the 2000s?
A state within a state?
Only to hear years later from people that you didn't see it coming and didn't know?
When foreign countries provide massive media and organizational support to the opposition, and do so actively, it is a signal to me of what they want.


So what do you want? Because there's nothing in between....
Erdogan and the AKP have demonstrated time and time again that they dont care to act against DEM and whatever other foreign supported groups there are. So since they have proven themselves unreliable and now even openly cooperate with them, why shold they ever be permitted to permanently seize power? They actively enable the threats to Turkish national security, whilst destroying any opportunity for the Turkish public to voice their opinion
 

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50% of your post is BS and conspiracy theories.
The World is not black and white, and the AKP is cozing up on DEM anyway. So whats your point? Continue with the dictator, let thousands be prisoned, billions be stolen because you believe the propaganda you are fed?
@IC3M@N FX is right, it's not a conspiracy. Gladio Network exists and its two main arms to enact the green belt were İlim Yayma Cemiyeti and Komünizmle Mücadele Derneği. The two main offsprings of these two organizations were Cemaat and MHP (all prominent members were former members of the aforementioned two organizations). These were used to design politics in Turkey during the cold war and influence governments. (Read Paul L. Williams, Daniele Ganser, and above all Mumcu books; the Yurdakul & Yalçın book is not bad either)

But funny thing is they don't need to just influence governments and try to design politics no more. They have the government, judiciary, police, etc. There was a minor infighting, some of them were purged and sleekly the remaining ones sold this as purging of the aforementioned organizations.

You think Devlet Bahçeli is an independent actor? He's most probably dead but since there's nobody else to play that role to be the scapegoat for Erdoğan when the fake "Aldatıldık 2.0" comes about, they still carry messages from him so if they need to abort from the project (constitutional change) for now, they can feign innocence.

And it's true that some EU organizations support CHP, DEM, etc. Just how they had Saddam and helped him immensely during late 70s and 80s but also were cultivating relations with Talabanis and Barzanis or how they had Mohammad Reza Shah of Iran as a full-blown puppet but still hosted and supported Khomeini or how CIA funneled millions to the Italian Christian Democrats while also funding their far-right opposition. Declassified Chile files have shown how despite having Pinochet as a full-blown puppet, U.S. was also funding his opposition.

This is a very easy concept called a contingency plan tightly bound with such concepts as covert hedging and controlled opposition in intelligence talk. You can't be all in when what you're dealing with is a dynamic system and has unpredictable time-evolution series. As a rational actor you have to hedge your bets. What conspiracy theories dumbasses don't understand is that you can only do these things to the best of your ability which is still human-bound meaning these control systems themselves fail constantly and these things require a alot of walking tight ropes and constant fidgeting and hot swaps and have constant leaks and outlook overhauls as all long-term plans look fine only on paper.

But these are excuses AKP voters and Islamists use as self-consoling psychological apparatus. Not to be taken seriously. Consolidation of power (and hence wealth) in the hands of one party, esp. an ideologically rigid one not emanating from middle class educated masses (hence a very skewed distribution of wealth) for too long is the bane of all societies existence. Breaking this consolidation through any means is for the better.
 
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The government authorized an investigation against 33 concerts in Ankara Metropolitan Municipality for public damage allegations.

Lol, fucking muppet show. This is the best they could come up with against Mansur Yavaş. We are practically a dictatorship now in which the dictator can eliminate his political rivals with various means, this time with the judiciary.

BTW a CHP proposal to investigate the concert expenditures of all municipalities in Turkiye was rejected in the Parliament with the votes of AKP and MHP deputies.
 
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