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Lets have some fun. Could TEI have put a large generator in TF6000 that isn't typical of this class knowing full well the need for higher electrical generation power for advanced electronics? What if an ANKA3 and Kızılelma had electricity generation capacity on par with an F16 with this engine? Can you imagine the full power of MURAD on an UAV?
 

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No the point is advertising other products from other companies as if their own is loser mentality.
What are those other companies, I haven't noticed any logos or signage indicating any company. Feel free to provide any pointers. There are only two engines in the video with physical images, all other engines are computer generated images.
 
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Lets have some fun. Could TEI have put a large generator in TF6000 that isn't typical of this class knowing full well the need for higher electrical generation power for advanced electronics? What if an ANKA3 and Kızılelma had electricity generation capacity on par with an F16 with this engine? Can you imagine the full power of MURAD on an UAV?
To add to this, CD155 engine had something like 1.6 kW generation capacity, PD170 has 9kW.
 

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F-35 one and FJ33 was pretty apparent, but didn't see that last Chinese one, thought it was a prototype for something.
 

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Just search "jet engine design stock footage" and you'll find literally thousands of images and videos, which was clearly what TRMotor did with that unnecessary tweet. Here are 3 results, you can sift through them if you want to find the footage they used lol



 

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TR MOTOR obviously promise to make every aviation turbine engine the nation will need in the coming several decades, this is what matters.
 

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There is nothing wrong with a video VISUALIZING types of engines they are already developing or soon will develop.
 
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There is nothing wrong with a video VISUALIZING types of engines they are already developing or soon will develop.
Would you think it would be appropriate to start a tech company to make smartphones and put iphone in ads as stock photo visualizing what the company wants to make
 

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Would you think it would be appropriate to start a tech company to make smartphones and put iphone in ads as stock photo visualizing what the company wants to make
Do you realize that they could only identify some engines after a reverse image search, so they are using some generic engine visuals, nothing more.
 

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Would you think it would be appropriate to start a tech company to make smartphones and put iphone in ads as stock photo visualizing what the company wants to make
This was an AD? What were they advertising and for which potential buyers?
I thought it was just an ordinary happy new year Türkiye tweet. Chill people, for a second if you can. They are just starting at this and it is new year.

Here is an actual Apple Ad. Steve jobs holding an apple seemingly compares himself with images of great leaders and thinkers. How did that end? Didn't he deliver?

I am not saying TRMOTOR tweet was as revolutionary or it was even an AD, but it doesn't have to be. It is just a visualization of future product lines. How hard it is to get that?
 

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It looks like the Indians ditched Rolls-Royce and Safran for engine development.

Rolls Royce offered them IP rights, technology transfer, and Indian production.
But they went along with GE.

Maybe they'll feel the pressure and offer us a similar deal because they seem to be having some financial difficulties.

Although it could be a pipe dream.
GE F414 was selected for Tejas Mk2 (over EJ200) many years ago. When you talk of RR and Safran, I think you are referring to the 110+kN engine needed for AMCA Mk2. As far as I know, that is intended to be developed with Safran. I imagine that negotiations over the specification and cost are ongoing.

I think that RR suffered severely from airliners being grounded during the Covid pandemic. Many RR engines on airliners involve 'power by the hour' deals. No hours flown meant no income to RR.
 

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Did TSK have any propulsion project for reaching heights above 75k feet ?

High-Altitude, Long-Endurance UAVs
Substantial efforts are under way to develop propulsion technologies for HALE surveillance and communications-relay missions. The mission objectives for HALE UAVs are to operate at as high an altitude as possible to maximize the geographic coverage of sensors and communications. High altitude can also be an important contributor to survivability because high altitude reduces the aircraft’s vulnerability to ground-to-air and air-to-air missiles. However, to be entirely safe from many widely deployed threats, operating altitudes must be above 75,000 or even 85,000 feet. These altitudes cannot be routinely reached with current propulsion technology.

At an altitude above 75,000 feet, there is very little air (the air density at 80,000 feet is only 3 percent of the density at sea level), which affects air-breathing fueled propulsion systems in two fundamental ways. First, engine weight is inherently higher. The fuel required to produce a unit of thrust per time is the same at high altitudes as it is at low altitudes, but the fuel-to-air ratio is fixed by the chemistry of combustion. As a result, the required mass flow rate of air is set by the power required.

Second, the large compression ratios required for gas turbines (additional compressor stages must be added), piston engines, and fuel cells (which require several stages of turbocharging) result in weight and drag penalties. The additional compression requirement significantly increases the weight of high-altitude propulsion systems. Because the compression process increases the temperature as well as the air pressure, the required pressure ratios result in temperatures that are too high for current technology. Thus, coolers (heat exchangers) must be added to the compression system. The weight and drag penalties of these heat exchangers are exacerbated by the very low ambient air density. High-altitude aircraft under development for NASA, which use piston engines, have more area and drag associated with heat exchangers than for the wings. The increased weight and drag of heat exchangers with altitude limit the operating altitude of these designs (Drela, 1996).
National Academies of Sciences, Engineering, and Medicine. 2000. Uninhabited Air Vehicles: Enabling Science for Military Systems. Washington, DC: The National Academies Press.



Also there is this from Airbus.
 
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Prof. Dr. Murat Yalçıntaş | 10 December 2023:
  • TUNA (400 HP) is in serial production
  • AZRA (600 HP) will be probably in serial production in 2024
  • UTKU (1000 HP) serial production at end of 2026
  • BATU (1500 HP) serial production after 2027 (he says "2027'den sonra", so maybe he means in 2027)
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BATU Engine - the power group developed by BMC Power with domestic and national resources for the Altay Main Battle Tank.

Looking good, really looking good. People can criticize and talk about the delays as much as they want, but this is a stunning view of a running Turkish tank engine that most of us did not thought of 10/15 years ago.
 

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TEI:

"3 R&D projects we carried out under the auspices of Defense Industry were signed.

With the SICIM, EUTECTIC and AMETHYST projects, which aim to develop critical materials used in aviation engines, we will implement national solutions containing advanced technology, which will reduce foreign dependency on materials and material processes used in aviation engines."

 

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