Project started back in 2012 and was supposed to finish in 2016.
At that time we were unskilled inexperienced beginner. As though we were driving uphill.
What are you talking about dear friend?
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One thing i would like to add is maintenance , rr and ge are famous for low maintenance ,as a old customer of zorya ,india knows the havoc maintenance issues can cause .Ukrainian aero-derivative marine engines are a viable alternative. LM2500 and LM500 are no doubt the best but it is not critical as in the aircraft development. Aircraft have limited space and you are flying and should achieve a certain aerodynamic performance. You want the best performance, best fuel efficiency because aircraft can carry a limited weight and you want to be mission-ready every time. The worst thing that can happen to a destroyer is to design a bigger fuel tank or it can have a slightly lower range with the same fuel load. You have a vast space. Ships don't need to be combat-ready at every time. Ships go under a cycle of maintenance every year or two. Most of the time you won't even turn on gas turbines and travel with diesel engines at 15-16 knots travel speed.
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Maybe the production method changed from super alloy to single crystal turbine blade. And also better shaft bearing with resistance to heat and high quality lubrication.
Engineering is no such thing. It's not like a driver getting experience with driving thousands of miles. It's about establishing test rigs and doing tests on the materials you produced (like TEI does, KaleAero doesn't have such capabilities). To recruit key people and plan a good organization scheme. To establish a managable calender for the project. Establishing production chain and developing necessary process technology.
Forget yenişafak a.k.a. government propaganda for shallow minds.What are you talking about dear friend?
Kale already finished the KTJ 3200 this year and mass production will soon begin this year with the supply of 13 engines at the end of this year; probably December
It is also worth noting that it is 100% domestic; thus, it wont be imposed to embargoes or restrictions
Furthermore, Kale had to develop an engine all by themselves without any support. On the other hand, TEI had GE behind it to provide it with basic know how.... so give the poor souls some consideration for their unwavering will in the past 9 years and millions that were spent in R&D. They did also state that they are developing 2 more engines based on the KTJ 3200 so it should be faster to produce
Turkish firm to produce domestic missile engines | Local News
Kale to start mass production of engines this year
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Bro..... you mishmashed everything.....
It seems that you know everthing better than everbody.Engineering is no such thing. It's not like a driver getting experience with driving thousands of miles. It's about establishing test rigs and doing tests on the materials you produced (lie TEI does, KaleAero doesn't have such capabilities). To recruit and plan a good organization scheme. To establish a managable calender for the project. Establishing production chain and developing necessary process technology.
To date, Kale failed badly.
Forget yenişafak a.k.a. government propaganda for shallow minds.
Here read this. It's also from government media AA.
Milli turbojet motora yenileri eklenecek
Türk savunma sanayisinin ihtiyaçları için KTJ-3200 Milli Turbojet Motoru'nu geliştiren Kale Arge, kazandığı bilgi birikimi ve tecrübeyle yeni turbojet motor projeleri için kolları sıvadı. - Anadolu Ajansı
They say they have done "internal qualifications". Which means that they have tested the engine on a rig to see if they are complying with the project requirements. After that there will be a qualification phase for the Army and SSB on a rig. After that they will integrate engine to the missile and do another qualification phase. If everything goes well, development phase will end and SSB will open a procurement tender for the engine, after that they will go into serial production phase.
And I'm not giving a tiny consideration to them. If my company had done work like them we would have gone bankrupt. A 5+ years delay in a 4 year project is not acceptable any where in the world.
Let this be a lesson for SSB. IMO, for the next engine. They should give R&D money to both TEI and Kale. Give them 2 years and after 2 years evaluate their advance and award the project to the one that made the most advancement.
Bro..... you mishmashed everything.....
You were not aware that Turkey was producing SCBs a few posts ago and now you are making bold statements about Turkey's production capabilities... Nobody in this thread will take you for serious with this attitude.
Nope, i just don't talk about the subjects that i don't know and try to learn about them. That's all.
Have you ever use or being system engineer on any turbine engine? Do you know performance problems?Engineering is no such thing. It's not like a driver getting experience with driving thousands of miles. It's about establishing test rigs and doing tests on the materials you produced (lie TEI does, KaleAero doesn't have such capabilities). To recruit and plan a good organization scheme. To establish a managable calender for the project. Establishing production chain and developing necessary process technology.
To date, Kale failed badly.
Forget yenişafak a.k.a. government propaganda for shallow minds.
Here read this. It's also from government media AA.
Milli turbojet motora yenileri eklenecek
Türk savunma sanayisinin ihtiyaçları için KTJ-3200 Milli Turbojet Motoru'nu geliştiren Kale Arge, kazandığı bilgi birikimi ve tecrübeyle yeni turbojet motor projeleri için kolları sıvadı. - Anadolu Ajansı
They say they have done "internal qualifications". Which means that they have tested the engine on a rig to see if they are complying with the project requirements. After that there will be a qualification phase for the Army and SSB on a rig. After that they will integrate engine to the missile and do another qualification phase. If everything goes well, development phase will end and SSB will open a procurement tender for the engine, after that they will go into serial production phase.
And I'm not giving a tiny consideration to them. If my company had done work like them we would have gone bankrupt. A 5+ years delay in a 4 year project is not acceptable any where in the world.
Let this be a lesson for SSB. IMO, for the next engine. They should give R&D money to both TEI and Kale. Give them 2 years and after 2 years evaluate their advance and award the project to the one that made the most advancement.
Bro..... you mishmashed everything.....
Are you going to offer me a job?
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Gentlemen, I meant to manufacture power turbine blade by the method of used old eastern block countries using forged super alloys with a special method excluding single crystal blade. And we achieved single crystal turbine blade increasing heat and creep resistance wrt Super alloys esp. in TS1400 engine by TUBITAK MAM till to aprox. 1400 °C that is not best but good enough for begining.Are you going to offer me a job?
"method changed from super alloy to single crystal turbine blade" bro, if you are saying this, it shows that your knowledge is not good.
Instead of questioning my knowledge (which would add nothing to you) it would be better if you read the article below.
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GE has a special enclosure made for the turbine itself that minimizes the airborne noise, and they ship it with a foundation that is equipped with absorbers known to best isolate the engine from the hull. They also follow the installation and they work with tight tolerances during installation of the shaft.
bro the issue is this
i see this as good thing with no issues, even most welcomed development. by information provided your shipping industry matured enough to have cooperation with ukrainians to, more external partners better for you, there are plenty of projects for participation, by scope of needs and future projections i think you need even more partners beside those two which are willing to work with you now. so, i see no reason to ditch ukraine partners even with this signed memorandum Daersan shipyard comes on mind firstly for example.
