Turan
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do you think Pakistan can give a nuclear warhead to be used in Gezgin or balistic missiles in return for cooperation in MMU?
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Cooperation on MMU will be either financially or a joint production of non-critical parts. Regarding nukes, Turkiye is very much capable to develops it by it’s own, problem is that we are not investing into it, at least officially.
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Regarding Nuclear Warheads, there are couple of points that need to be remembered when discussing them.
“Nuclear” is a big umbrella which covers a number of different technologies.
As the weapons go there are :
1. Atom Bomb (like the ones detonated in Japan)
2. Hydrogen Bomb.
An atomic bomb is a fission bomb. This is where uranium atoms are split. As a result you get a huge release of nuclear energy.
A hydrogen bomb explosion or thermonuclear explosion occurs when you fuse two hydrogen atoms and as a result you get much higher amounts of energy being released.
In order to detonate a thermonuclear bomb, large enough energy such that is released during a fission bomb is needed. So a hydrogen bomb is composed of an atom bomb that pushes hydrogen atoms together to fuse them. Hence releasing devastating amounts of thermonuclear energy.
Earlier bombs made by China , India, Pakistan, Israel and N Korea were all Atom bombs. Gradually one by one, they all managed to obtain the technology to detonate thermonuclear bombs.
The trick lies in the manufacturing expertise of a small enough bomb to fit in to a missile’s warhead to facilitate easy delivery.
As delivery systems go; the MIRV (multiple independently-targetable re entry vehicle) technology is the way to go to achieve best and most effective target acquisition. Apart from Russia, US, Britain and France , it is believed that China has acquired this technology too. India with Agni-VI is developing this technology too.
This is an expensive and controversial technology to develop as a whole.
Should we have it? Definitely!
How and without causing international uproar is the tricky part.
Trading MMU for nuclear tech access is one easy way to jump to the front of the queue.
“Nuclear” is a big umbrella which covers a number of different technologies.
As the weapons go there are :
1. Atom Bomb (like the ones detonated in Japan)
2. Hydrogen Bomb.
An atomic bomb is a fission bomb. This is where uranium atoms are split. As a result you get a huge release of nuclear energy.
A hydrogen bomb explosion or thermonuclear explosion occurs when you fuse two hydrogen atoms and as a result you get much higher amounts of energy being released.
In order to detonate a thermonuclear bomb, large enough energy such that is released during a fission bomb is needed. So a hydrogen bomb is composed of an atom bomb that pushes hydrogen atoms together to fuse them. Hence releasing devastating amounts of thermonuclear energy.
Earlier bombs made by China , India, Pakistan, Israel and N Korea were all Atom bombs. Gradually one by one, they all managed to obtain the technology to detonate thermonuclear bombs.
The trick lies in the manufacturing expertise of a small enough bomb to fit in to a missile’s warhead to facilitate easy delivery.
As delivery systems go; the MIRV (multiple independently-targetable re entry vehicle) technology is the way to go to achieve best and most effective target acquisition. Apart from Russia, US, Britain and France , it is believed that China has acquired this technology too. India with Agni-VI is developing this technology too.
This is an expensive and controversial technology to develop as a whole.
Should we have it? Definitely!
How and without causing international uproar is the tricky part.
Trading MMU for nuclear tech access is one easy way to jump to the front of the queue.
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Some hard facts to swallow for you.
Who do you think would come to our help in a war time situation?
Dont say Azerbaijan cause it cant.
Do you remember when we lacked pilots for our F-16's?
No matter in what situation,if Pakistan can Pakistan will come.
Its not about the state pakistan but the people of Pakistan.
Even if its a satelite state of China,KSA or whomever,the people will make sure Pakistan comes to our help if needed.
So,dont talk bs,its not up to you who we can call ''brother'' or not.
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A lot of engineers from BAE was Pakistanies who camed to Turkey and loved to work on the project. Stop with your bs post about Pakistan.
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I don't think it's people hating Pakistan, more pointing out that it is a very unstable nation and Turkey shouldn't rely on them too much for critical cooperation. I personally wish the people of Pakistan to succeed in making their country a better place and genuinely sympathize with the good, upstanding citizens of that country but that's not a reason to ignore the dangers from tying oneself too closely with them.
If the government decide to buy 5th generation jet and turkey not willing to sell to malaysia then we will buy from south korea.
In fact during LIMA,korean defense minister is offering their latest jet kf 21 or future 5th generation jet to malaysia.
Luckily,Turkiye is not run by people like you .
Furthermore why so much hate toward pakistani.
In fact in this forum i saw all love from pakistani toward turkish people.
In fact Pakustan is buying a lot of defense product from turkiye which is very good for export..
In fact in this forum i saw all love from pakistani toward turkish people.
In fact Pakustan is buying a lot of defense product from turkiye which is very good for export..
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Personally i hope Turkiye is hyper aggressive in how they market and sell these things, would be great to see other nations join us on the TFX. Even create partner nations so when it comes to 6th gen the costs are shared out and the benefits are reaped by all.
Turkiye has to be "other" option, where its win/win. None of this manipulation bullshit that you get from the USA/Europe when it comes to weapons. We use German tanks against PKK, they place engine embargoes on us. That shit needs to end and Turkiye is on the right path to end the blackmail politics of western arms deals.
The main reason we had to go indigenous was to break to influence and control the americans and certain european nations have over us by threatening military embargoes. If half the world is brought up to modern fighter jet standards thank to Turkish tech transfers, that's fine and maybe even better for us long term. Because should we ever fall behind maybe other nations outside the west could fill the gap for us in a similar way to how korea has done for us.
Actually its a good thing to have many friends or ally.
Even the mighty US prefer having many friends with them not only for political but also economically too.
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yep and being able to create defence ties with 3rd nations is a great way to cement relationships.
In the beginning i get why many nations were reluctant to join the TFX, even now their is still a big danger and thats the engine issue. But if the engine issue is overcome, its in Turkiyes interests to sell this thing to as many nations as possible and to offer the best terms possible.
If it were me i would be approaching as many nations as possible seeing if deals can be made today.
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The United States is capable of building airplanes on its own, but why is it building them together with many other countries? This means making friends and allies in all fields, strategic, military, economic, political, etc.
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TAI has slowly started modifying KAAN. One of the earliest examples of this was the addition of sealants. I expect bigger modifications to take place in a short while. In the meantime here are some pics from the earlier interview.
Thx to @Combat-Master (I think?) for initially noticing the final picture. It was a wonderful catch. Shows the extent of tests that are underway on the current airframe.
Thx to @Combat-Master (I think?) for initially noticing the final picture. It was a wonderful catch. Shows the extent of tests that are underway on the current airframe.
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Could you highlight the difference. I have no idea what to look for. Thanks!
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Note the gaps. This was done pre-rollout.
As for the rest, you shouldn't expect major differences. Look out for test equipment to be added later on.
lets be honest, its not that simple. I dont think US would let Korea to be free like Turkey, kf21 project and systems in their latest exports show that so many western systems hat needs time to develop at home. But i agree that it needs to be sold and thats what Turkey wants, create its own side and arm them with latest tech, basically allies
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The relationship between Turkey and Pakistan is based on face-to-face interactions, and cooperation at the military level over the course of many decades now. It has little to nothing to do with the average pakistanis thoughts or feelings, or their consumption of ertugrul, though these things can be valuable for maintenance of public sentiment supporting the partnership on the pakistani side. It is ostensibly a relationship between the educated classes of pakistan, and Turkey.
We are a country of 260 million, mostly illiterate/underserved people. The educated segments of pakistani society, like anywhere else, probably wouldn't hold any judgement towards the modern lifestyle of many Turks. What you see on the internet I'm guessing is often time an exposure to those uneducated masses, the kind who are shell-shocked that their Halime Sultan wears jeans... Nevertheless, these people are far from any position of decision making so not a risk factor.
As for the immigrants, we can only be ashamed at what kind of foolishness exists within our borders and now seems to flee from our borders as well. In general, this new cohort of adult male refugees are basically the worst their respective countries have to offer. Cowards and imbeciles who should be trialed-by-fire at a battlefront to cleanse them.
We are facing down serious issues as a country, and time will tell how these things play out. I have heard it remarked that Pakistan as a country may cease to exist, but the Pakistani Army will live on.
Pray for us please.
