TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

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Temel Kotil: "Hopefully, we will start the rapid ground tests of KAAN in the first week of December. We plan to do the rejected takeoff tests in the 3rd week and fly in the 4th week. We have a timer counting down at TAI. When it shows the seconds, hopefully we will have flown. We turned on the Hürjet's afterburner. Once the plane flies, it continues to fly. We want to fly KAAN as soon as possible so that more can follow."

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In case the f35k progress is not on par with the goals, is there any chance that Turkiye will get engine from Russia or China?
 

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In case the f35k progress is not on par with the goals, is there any chance that Turkiye will get engine from Russia or China?

00.1% chance.
 

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In case the f35k progress is not on par with the goals, is there any chance that Turkiye will get engine from Russia or China?
Yeah i think so both of them will accept but as u know head of TEI and other Turkisj officials said that Turkiye alone can build an aircraft engine for KAAN.
If we ask for help from china or russia , west againt will do what iy did with S400 .
Some sanctions for some components like engines of warships or ejection seats of Kaan and f16 and no more than that but Turkiye can withstand without those because has strong defence industry itself
F16 will go reserve or replaced . Warships components replaced and so on .
Just like with Wescam of Tb2 that Cats replaced it . Or Ts1400 that replaced US engine one or Altay tank engine that will be replaced with national / Korean one.
If West goes full retard abd put massive economical sanctions than our roads will be splint forever , every US soldier and their equipement on Turkiye will be kick out , Aslo will work to kick them out from syria , iraq , qatar , + 20 other countries .
big Tarifs will be placed on west products and on their transport ships if they pass bosphorus etc etc .
The world will be more devided in two . west vs east
 

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Congrats to the clowns who keep repeating this - Chinese propaganda is now using it.
Does it matter what the Chinese say? The design is still fluid, so coating the canopy to lower radar return can be done at a later point. I presume that will not interfere with testing the rest of the aircraft.
 

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Does it matter what the Chinese say? The design is still fluid, so coating the canopy to lower radar return can be done at a later point. I presume that will not interfere with testing the rest of the aircraft.

Will it be possible to change certain design parts in the future blocks?
 

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Will it be possible to change certain design parts in the future blocks?
Everything is possible, espacially easy stuff like shape and coating of canopy, its not a structural element so no worries.
I dont expect the canopy to stay a bare acrylic dome, it will certainly have metallic coating in the future, its just not relevant at this stage yet.
My only worries are engine and avionics, its a giant task to get these on western level.
 

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Simply to put it, Tempest doesn't exist at this point in time
Rolls Royce exec claims Tempest's tech demo engine will generate "up to five times as much power" compared to the Eurofighter Typhoon.
The Tempest technology demonstration engine will produce thrust, while at the aircraft level it will deliver up to 1MW (1000kW) at peak.
Thoughts?
 

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Everything is possible, espacially easy stuff like shape and coating of canopy, its not a structural element so no worries.
I dont expect the canopy to stay a bare acrylic dome, it will certainly have metallic coating in the future, its just not relevant at this stage yet.
My only worries are engine and avionics, its a giant task to get these on western level.
I have my doubts. All the electronics inside, ejection seat, even aerodynamics can suffer.
 

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This was posted before but remains the best open source analysis of KAAN. Second part is also nice.


The analysis also seems to support a previous notion that I learned recently that, greater numbers of TRM does not necessarily increase the range, it only helps you to achieve bigger FoVs and do more jobs simultaneously (E.g. air to air and air to ground and electronic attack) better than an AESA with lesser TRM.

Meaningful increase in the detection range is achieved through better and more powerful TRM. (E.g. GaN based TR modules compared to GaAs TR modules)
 
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Rolls Royce exec claims Tempest's tech demo engine will generate "up to five times as much power" compared to the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Thoughts?

Almost no information regarding the Tempest programme is made public. It is speculated that it will be a very large aircraft. It is speculated that electrical power generation will be 400kw. The demonstrator being built may reveal the level of electrical power output.
The timelines we're told regarding indigenous TF35K engine are;

- 2026 First Ignition
- 2028 Platform Integration and first flight
- 2032-2033 serial production

Time will tell if these milestones will be achieved on schedule. It's unlikely but not impossible, imho. The progress of TF6K and TF10K will give us some hint of our abilities. If we suffer any schedule slips with TF6K because of technical issues, then it would be unreasonable to expect TF35K to be put in serial production before 2035.

That sounds reasonable.

My gut reaction is that even if there are minimal problems with the TF6000, a 35,000 lb thrust engine is a very different proposition. The same is almost as true when you compare a 10,000 lb thrust engine to a 35,000 lb thrust engine.

What makes people so confident that the TF35K will not face design and development problems? TEI does not have the technology of the major OEM's. It strikes me as a lttle naive to think that they would get a 35,000 lb thrust engine just about right at the first attempt.
 
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Almost no information regarding the Tempest programme is made public. It is speculated that it will be a very large aircraft. It is speculated that electrical power generation will be 400kw. The demonstrator being built may reveal the level of electrical power output.


That sounds reasonable.

My gut reaction is that even if there are minimal problems with the TF6000, a 35,000 lb thrust engine is a very different proposition. The same is almost as true when you compare a 10,000 lb thrust engine to a 35,000 lb thrust engine.

What makes people so confident that the TF35K will not face design and development problems? TEI does not have the technology of the major OEM's. It strikes me as a lttle naive to think that they would get a 35,000 lb thrust engine just about right at the first attempt.
First of all, 35 000 lb is very ambitious, yes I agree.But TF35k is being developed to be form fit to F15's engines.In other words, it is enough for us that it performs similar to the engines of the aircraft of the 1970s.By the way, I think reaching 24-26 000 lb with dry thrust is a more difficult goal to achieve than reaching 35 000 lb with afterburner.
 
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