TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

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After I added Kaan today to the comparison table of 5th generation fighters in wikepedia
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I don't know it will start a fight even from Turkish IPs trying to remove it I don't know why 🤔👀
(it was a too many edits so I made an AI to summarize the fight from the edit history for me 😂)

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finally they seemed to have failed anyway :geek:
but unfortunately they removed the flag from here finally (wasn't my edit but inspired me to make mine)
The list seems to include our country, at least for now.

Must stay vigilant.
 

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This claims that the domestic engine will power the deliveries of 2028(?)
It is clear that there are some developments in the background, but there is no clear information in open sources yet. TRMOTOR's post after maiden flight:


As TRMOTOR, we are also working on Kaan's engine and power systems, and we look forward to seeing Kaan fly with our indigenous and national engine.


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Kotil's following statement is a very interesting and memorable motto: "Great achievements do not come out of normal efforts. This is not a normal place!"
 
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"If we want, we can do anything. God willing."
Kotil: We built the Hürjet to accelerate the Kaan project. We are working on the 6th generation through KAAN.

Perhaps one of the most important evaluation mistakes we have made is that we are referring to the traditional project development models of the western aviation industry. Normally, there should be 10-15 year intervals between these systems, but at TAI, the development of successors and predecessors are built on top of each other simultaneously.
 

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Not sure if this was mentioned in this thread, but Temel Kotil mentioned today that Kaan may be turned into a 6th gen fighter later down the track.

I don't think he means this in the sense that the experience gained from Kaan will be used for an all new 6th gen platform. Kaan itself will likely be modified into a 6th gen fighter.

The size and design of Kaan make it much more suitable to accommodate new types of engines than for example F35s or F22s. There's also a lot of real estate for placing advanced countermeasures.

This platform has huge potential.

Although I think the difference between 5th and 6th gen fighters is rather muddy, I really like how Turkish Aerospace is thinking ahead. Kaan is built to be futureproof.


Kotil: We built the Hürjet to accelerate the Kaan project. We are working on the 6th generation through KAAN.

Perhaps one of the most important evaluation mistakes we have made is that we are referring to the traditional project development models of the western aviation industry. Normally, there should be 10-15 year intervals between these systems, but at TAI, the development of successors and predecessors are built on top of each other simultaneously.

Edit: you beat me to it
 

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Kotil: We built the Hürjet to accelerate the Kaan project. We are working on the 6th generation through KAAN.

Perhaps one of the most important evaluation mistakes we have made is that we are referring to the traditional project development models of the western aviation industry. Normally, there should be 10-15 year intervals between these systems, but at TAI, the development of successors and predecessors are built on top of each other simultaneously.
You’re saying we’re doing quantum leaps to achieve the extraordinary.

But if we have extraordinary people working on KAAN, we’ll need same level or better people to keep this going.

While I think being able to pull out something like KAAN from ordinary/normal effort would ensure it’d survive in case we lose extraordinary talent.

A bit like why Sovjet T-72 was picked over better design in the past, because everyone could use it and it was easy to maintain etc.

being able to do amazing things are important, but being able to teach normal people to achieve the same extraordinary output/outcome is, imo, beyond measurable.
 

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Edit: you beat me to it
So much so that even before Kotil gave an interview 🙃
(...) In addition, I consider TAI officials statements that 'we have started 6th generation studies' as an extension of the KAAN program, in other words, I predict that a smooth transition to the next-nextgen jet is planned. I mean, almost every technology will be applicable in KAAN first until the need to change the airframe.

(...)From the very early stages of KAAN's production, the process will be, in a sense, an adaptation of advanced variants to the operational qualities of what is now defined as the sixth generation. And these new capability gains will have a direct impact on future platform conceptualizations.
 

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I think the idea of 6 gen fits in my head better right now. Essentially its very strong engines for high electricity generation that enables use of lasers as CIWS sort of against enemy missiles that changes the game. 5th gen focused on reducing observability across the EM spectrum to increase survivability to avoid detection and increased sensor and processing capabilities for a leap in situational awareness. 6th gen is the next stage where you have hard kill solution against targets that can target you and come close. Imagine you can just melt enemy AMRAAM, no escape maneuver or chaff and flares. This is 1 of the paragim shifts if it is feasible.


Other is as we know system of systems, manned unmanned cooperation.
 

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I think the idea of 6 gen fits in my head better right now. Essentially its very strong engines for high electricity generation that enables use of lasers as CIWS sort of against enemy missiles that changes the game. 5th gen focused on reducing observability across the EM spectrum to increase survivability to avoid detection and increased sensor and processing capabilities for a leap in situational awareness. 6th gen is the next stage where you have hard kill solution against targets that can target you and come close. Imagine you can just melt enemy AMRAAM, no escape maneuver or chaff and flares. This is 1 of the paragim shifts if it is feasible.


Other is as we know system of systems, manned unmanned cooperation.
That's a great description, it could be put in wikipedia just like that. :)

Previous generational changes have always occurred because the older generation did not allow the integration of newer systems or capabilities, either in terms of structural features or power requirements.
 

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I think the idea of 6 gen fits in my head better right now. Essentially its very strong engines for high electricity generation that enables use of lasers as CIWS sort of against enemy missiles that changes the game. 5th gen focused on reducing observability across the EM spectrum to increase survivability to avoid detection and increased sensor and processing capabilities for a leap in situational awareness. 6th gen is the next stage where you have hard kill solution against targets that can target you and come close. Imagine you can just melt enemy AMRAAM, no escape maneuver or chaff and flares. This is 1 of the paragim shifts if it is feasible.


Other is as we know system of systems, manned unmanned cooperation.
in our university we had drone club called suas. in my early years the competitions was about how high or how long or how fast you can fly with your drone. but in my last years competition changed to drone vs drone targeting with laser. ofc the laser wasn't strong to damage the drones but rather used as targeting and hitting mechanism. they said to us that there is no drone in the world that targets other drone that's why we are doing this.

now with what you are saying all the pices of puzzles are coming to gather :love:

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EEM = electrical electroncial engineering
Bil = computer engineering
Hav = aviation

Edit : btw our team one time became 1st in place in the drone competitions in turkey between universities we always go to teknofest in Istanbul. we had other successful clubs such as hyronia for hyronic cars and solar team for solar paneled cars which become second in place in south Africa's 2014 solar challenged competition among other universities. but the most budget were given to suas and their drones they even had their workshops in the nearby airport which allow our team ( electrical electronic engineers and computer engineers) along with havaçılık student to do some cool staff in the runways


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btw TAI is so close to our university and some of my professors work there, in fact they work in TEI but government also forced them to teach some courses in the university. for example my professor who taught me quantum physics also for for TAI

in my heart i know they also contribute to the project and that is just awesome
 
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That is all rather European definition of 6th gen.

But in my book, If it ain't something like this, then don't call it 6th gen.

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I don't think he means this in the sense that the experience gained from Kaan will be used for an all new 6th gen platform. Kaan itself will likely be modified into a 6th gen fighter.
Did not surprise me one single bit.

A high-power producing TF-35K totin' KAAN already ticks most of the checkboxes for the sixth gen fighter jet requirements. The rest is relatively easy.
 

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That is all rather European definition of 6th gen.

But in my book, If it ain't something like this, then don't call it 6th gen.

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I fine network-data link capability and MUM-T beyond these technical details. If a fighter is capable of retrieving or processing an unmanned fighter's search radar signal then it is safely a 6th gen.
 

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I fine network-data link capability and MUM-T beyond these technical details. If a fighter is capable of retrieving or processing an unmanned fighter's search radar signal then it is safely a 6th gen.

F-35 will do that in the next decade with CCA. But then, USAF has NGAD.

I want to set the bar higher and see something close to Sci-Fi.
 

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An article by Kubilay Yıldırım, Also known as "HDS". Can be translated by some tools. Extensive, and on-point interview.
 

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F-35 will do that in the next decade with CCA. But then, USAF has NGAD.

I want to set the bar higher and see something close to Sci-Fi.
Then NGAD will do it more, and better. I don't think it is very challenging for US to make NGAD quickly if it just about the omitting tails (like they have been playing with such aircrafts for decades), it takes more time to develop electronics and software - data links nowadays.

When it happens we will start calling F-35 5+ Gen, like we call some aircrafts 4+ gen if it lacks certain features of 5th gens, or underperforms on certain fields but hold certain features
 

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