TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[DBdev]

That is a commercial engine. Even 1% fuel savings is critical for success, so they do several redesigns and testing. Safety tests, certifications also take much, much longer. If you get sued for causing a death by skipping a test or civil certification step that take many years, you will lose billions of dollars. Not that state allows you to skip it.

Militaries especially in wartime can cut that time down to a few years at most not 10 years by ignoring fuel economy, top performance and safety norms for certification. Akşit always talks about civil certification time. Do you think TAF will give a flying f about minor safety risks if a war breaks out? Which can break any second due to our “friends” in NATO.

You can speed up the process 3x simply by running 3 8-hour shifts without holidays. There is 3d printing that wasn't available during that 10 year time frame standard established. Also, digital twin wasn't factored in to that 10 years.

America was producing 300 planes and 6 ships a day in WW2. 70+ years ago, FFS. That was declared ridiculously “impossible” by top American nay sayer experts then, too. And then an engineer that built Hoover Dam in record time by using smart new techniques like using water pipes to cool down and speed up cement curing time was appointed as the head of those nay sayer experts. Rest is history…

When the Wright brothers were about to fly their first plane, nay sayer aviation “experts” were saying it would take at least a million to 10 million years for a man to fly… Lack of imagination, on the part of uninspired millions, can't slow down bright people.

 

[Oublious]

Good news, they are going to level up the testflights of Kaan . More flight hours, faster and higher.

 

[DBdev]

Sheesh. How many years will it take for a 4k cockpit view of KAAN with radar and all other screens visible, I wonder.

DCS game needs several clear 4k pictures to add a playable KAAN mod. Also the real-life specs for accurate dogfights. Including missiles.
They have F-35, F-22, Su-57 etc. even a lame TB2 model is there.

But no KAAN or Hürjet because of low res cockpit images that isn't suitable for 3d modeling. We still haven't even seen KAAN's screen while it's turned on

In a decade if we are lucky?

 

[DBdev]

I am no pilot, but…
Even with a touch screen which is too small and crowded to operate effectively with touch, shouldn't there be a lot more buttons, knobs etc. to speed up reaction times of the pilot, especially in a dog fight and to free precious screen space?

Turn rate seems low compared to other sims I played. But that could be because of the novice pilot.

Someone from TUSAS should either create mods for major flight simulators, MS, DCS or publish high-res cockpit images.
This is the only way our people and foreign aviation enthusiasts, potential customers, can experience and appreciate Hürjet and KAAN other than keep waving behind it while admiring its paint. It is not some big secret in a world F-22 and Su-57 are fully playable after all.

 

[Heartbang]

Turn rate seems low compared to other sims I played. But that could be because of the novice pilot.

There might also be a "guest mode" in the simulator in order to keep the real capabilities of the platform hidden.

F-22 and Su-57 are fully playable after all.

All because of eager fans and duty-bound employees painstakingly recreating the plane from the information that were given to them. A lot of the real specs of those craft are still classified.

Gaijin Entertainment, makers of the hit game "War Thunder" are known to peruse the defense forums like ours to gather information about the vehicles they recreate in their game.
Perhaps one of their lads are reading this very post right now.

 

[DBdev]

HOTAS - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Sure but that's bare minimum. TACTILE feeling is missing for 90% of flight and other controls. It is like using on screen keyboard instead of an actual keyboard on a PC. It is slower and awkward. A bad combo when milliseconds could mean life or death. And again like I said screen is too crowded and small compared to F-35s. Minimal spacing can cause mistakes.

Why are traditional knobs not replaced by touchscreens in cockpits?

Looking at this picture of an A380 cockpit I see that there are still a lot of traditional switches (meaning manual click on and off or knobs). Being technology so advanced in these days, why is it...

aviation.stackexchange.com

 

[DBdev]

Found this in an MMU sim video.
KAAN's radar scaler is at 40nm that puts BURFIS radar maximum at 300km. I was expecting 400-600km considering the size and power of BURFIS
Am I interpreting this right?

 

[uçuyorum]

Found this in an MMU sim video.
KAAN's radar scaler is at 40nm that puts BURFIS radar maximum at 300km. I was expecting 400-600km considering the size and power of BURFIS
Am I interpreting this right?

View attachment 68073

Burfis is not EIRS

 

[KhanOfEurasia]

Found this in an MMU sim video.
KAAN's radar scaler is at 40nm that puts BURFIS radar maximum at 300km. I was expecting 400-600km considering the size and power of BURFIS
Am I interpreting this right?

View attachment 68073

I don't think they give out the Specifications of Burfis now, maybe we have to wait some Years. It's also possible they will not reveal al Specifications of Burfis to the Public.

 

[Radko]

overfixating

 

[Afif]

Ha ha you made funny. Good for you. Now let adults talk.

Avoid insulting or ridiculing members. I advice you to keep it respectful.

 

[Huelague]

Max speed of Kaan will be 2.2 Mach.

 

[No Name]

Found this in an MMU sim video.
KAAN's radar scaler is at 40nm that puts BURFIS radar maximum at 300km. I was expecting 400-600km considering the size and power of BURFIS
Am I interpreting this right?

View attachment 68073

How do you know the simulator is set up for BURFIS, not Murad?

wasn't MURAD first then BURFIS?

 

[Fuzuli NL]

 

[DBdev]

How do you know the simulator is set up for BURFIS, not Murad?

wasn't MURAD first then BURFIS?

No one thinks that giant nose of KAAN is for tiny Murad radar, right? Also developer in video says it is the official 1to1 simulator for MMU not Özgür project or Hürjet. So I still have no idea why it merely shows 300km max range like F-16 block30s. Well at least it is 360 degrees not just a forward looking radar screen like this F-16 (Murad?) one.

 

[uçuyorum]

No one thinks that giant nose of KAAN is for tiny Murad radar, right? Also developer in video says it is the official 1to1 simulator for MMU not Özgür project or Hürjet. So I still have no idea why it merely shows 300km max range like F-16 block30s. Well at least it is 360 degrees not just a forward looking radar screen like this F-16 (Murad?) one.

Ok so EIRS have about 5 times the modules of Burfis and 10 times that of Murad. It's S vs X band but you get the idea. Even Cenk's is about 2 times more modules than Burfis, plus both of those have significantly more cooling and power generation( CENK -S peak power is roughly 2 times total electricity generation of KAAN. If CENK-S is effective 200 to 400Km, how do you figure Burfis needs more than 300km screen? Not to mention as a digital screen it probably has the option to extend and change range etc.

 

[zio]

Altitute and athmospheric conditions have some effects on radar performance

 

[DBdev]

Ok so EIRS have about 5 times the modules of Burfis and 10 times that of Murad. It's S vs X band but you get the idea. Even Cenk's is about 2 times more modules than Burfis, plus both of those have significantly more cooling and power generation( CENK -S peak power is roughly 2 times total electricity generation of KAAN. If CENK-S is effective 200 to 400Km, how do you figure Burfis needs more than 300km screen? Not to mention as a digital screen it probably has the option to extend and change range etc.

Beam forming with AESA is not just about brute module count or peak power. If you are using more 4x 5x peak power like 100+kw peak power as stated here for BURFIS but never reaching beyond 300 km then you suck at your job.

You need to compare it to what our frenemies all around us (will) have, F-35s. AN/APG-85 maximum range is classified, but it is rumored to be longer than AWACS. And that is a smaller radar than BURFIS with less than half the power BURFIS can utilize. French can use wave cancelling (similar to active noise cancelling) to make their Rafales somewhat invisible in certain angles, situations with a tiny radar. Compare BURFIS to those not to other Aselsan firsts.

 

[uçuyorum]

Beam forming with AESA is not just about brute module count or peak power. If you are using more 4x 5x peak power like 100+kw peak power as stated here for BURFIS but never reaching beyond 300 km then you suck at your job.

You need to compare it to what our frenemies all around us (will) have, F-35s. AN/APG-85 maximum range is classified, but it is rumored to be longer than AWACS. And that is a smaller radar than BURFIS with less than half the power BURFIS can utilize. French can use wave cancelling (similar to active noise cancelling) to make their Rafales somewhat invisible in certain angles, situations with a tiny radar. Compare BURFIS to those not to other Aselsan firsts.

Do you scan while beamforming narrow area that I don't know of? I mean you can use Burfis as illumination radar with all modules but what will first spot the target it will illuminate at that range then? And are eirs and cenk s not capable of same?

 

[DBdev]

Do you scan while beamforming narrow area that I don't know of? I mean you can use Burfis as illumination radar with all modules but what will first spot the target it will illuminate at that range then? And are eirs and cenk s not capable of same?

I am not sure if I got what you are saying, but waves can cancel each other out as in Rafale but also can strengthen each other or change direction, steer each other. That is all beam forming. It is a science in its own right. Aselsan isn't good at that. Also, it could be the not so good transmitters, I am not sure. My old Nvidia GPU used 1+KW, but it still cant run most games of today using all that power because it uses older chip technology that just wasted electricity to do less. So that could be why BURFIS and aselsan in general is stuck at these low ranges compared to state of the art western tech.