TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

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What do you think of recent news? Biden promised! to solve f35 issue in 3-4 week time!?!?

Source? But initially we were getting 100 F35 for free ( or even negative price ). Now we will probably have to pay huge amounts and taking a huge risk so...

 

[Samba]

Source? But initially we were getting 100 F35 for free ( or even negative price ). Now we will probably have to pay huge amounts and taking a huge risk so...

Düzeltme: Türkiye, 40 adet F-16 satın alımını geri çekiyor, F-35 için süreç başlıyor

Cumhurbaşkanı Erdoğan, ABD'deki NATO Devlet ve Hükümet Başkanları Zirvesi'ne katıldı. Erdoğan, Biden ile görüştüğünü ve F-35'ler için yeni dönemin başladığını duyurdu.

www.donanimhaber.com

 

[TheInsider]

What do you think of recent news? Biden promised! to solve f35 issue in 3-4 week time!?!?

It doesn't matter we won't get any F-35 apart from the F-35s waiting in the hangar before 2028-2029. I don't think Biden can do anything about F-35. It will be Trump's decision and I think Trump will use it as leverage.

I don't think we should buy more than 40 F-35As. Instead of 40 new F-16Vs, 40 F-35As will be a very good deal. We should push for F-35Bs for TCG Anadolu. We can also get delivery of our stored F-35s immediately and use them for training. We should use those 40 F-35s for NATO missions while keeping Kaan for ourselves and not use it abroad.

 

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It doesn't matter we won't get any F-35 apart from the F-35s waiting in the hangar before 2028-2029. I don't think Biden can do anything about F-35.

I read a version that says he will handle the matter of money paid for F35s

 

[neosinan]

Here is great interview with ex fighter pilot and advisor at Saab from Millennium 7. He talks in detail about Sensor fusion, stealth and Modern A2A in general. (PS: title of video is clickbait.)

 

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Here is great interview with ex fighter pilot and advisor at Saab from Millennium 7. He talks in detail about Sensor fusion, stealth and Modern A2A in general. (PS: title of video is clickbait.)

All his titles are clickbait but his content is nice. I heard clickbait is just needed to succeed in youtube

 

[YeşilVatan]

SAAB guy basically says passive sensors are way more important than previously thought, especially combined with sensor fusion. He also throws away the idea that stealth is the end-all-be-all solution. Especially western defence enthusiasts would hate this take.

 

[UkroTurk]

Ground radar might detect a stealth fighter at close distance however active radar seeker of missiles can not detect.

 

[Umigami]

Can I ask a bit?
When is 2nd prototype roll out?
Is it the same design (shape) as the first?

 

[Samba]

Can I ask a bit?
When is 2nd prototype roll out?
Is it the same design (shape) as the first?

And when will it be flying?

 

[Umigami]

And when will it be flying?

I don't know, I'm asking

 

[Spitfire9]

I wonder when the claim that TuAF will receive KAAN in 2028 will be shelved and a revised schedule will be announced. I don't see how the necessary testing can be completed, production started, aircraft built and delivered with no flight testing of production-representative aircraft until 2025 at the earliest. Several flying airframes will be needed to compress the time required for flight testing. Zero (I discount the first prototype) exist today.

 

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I wonder when the claim that TuAF will receive KAAN in 2028 will be shelved and a revised schedule will be announced. I don't see how the necessary testing can be completed, production started, aircraft built and delivered with no flight testing of production-representative aircraft until 2025 at the earliest. Several flying airframes will be needed to compress the time required for flight testing. Zero (I discount the first prototype) exist today.

Well it could be a pre acceptance

 

[Yasar_TR]

Can I ask a bit?
When is 2nd prototype roll out?
Is it the same design (shape) as the first?

As far as I can recall, this current KAAN will probably make another flight before the end of the year. The second prototype is being built. It should be ready to fly early next year with all the necessary alterations made with the information and data gathered from the initial flights of the current prototype.
According to media reports:
Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) is nearing completion of the second prototype of its fifth-generation fighter jet, KAAN, which it is developing to commence flight testing.

According to Avionot.com, assembly of the second KAAN prototype and engine integration are expected to be finalized in June and July.

Subsequently, this prototype will begin comprehensive flight tests followed by the other KAAN prototypes.

According to TAI, there will be 14 prototypes of KAAN. Last two that will be built in 2028, will have indigenous engines powering them.
So there will be 11 more prototypes from which TAI will receive data to build the serial production units of block 10.

 

[Umigami]

As far as I can recall, this current KAAN will probably make another flight before the end of the year. The second prototype is being built. It should be ready early next year with all the necessary alterations made with the information and data gathered from the initial flights of the current prototype.
According to media reports:
Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) is nearing completion of the second prototype of its fifth-generation fighter jet, KAAN, which it is developing to commence flight testing.

According to Avionot.com, assembly of the second KAAN prototype and engine integration are expected to be finalized in June and July.

Subsequently, this prototype will begin comprehensive flight tests followed by the other KAAN prototypes.

According to TAI, there will be 14 prototypes of KAAN. Last two that will be built in 2028, will have indigenous engines powering them.
So there will be 11 more prototypes from which TAI will receive data to build the serial production units of block 10.

If I remember correctly, the second and so on will have different canopy and radome design than the first prototype.

But I can't find the source anymore

 

[Spitfire9]

As far as I can recall, this current KAAN will probably make another flight before the end of the year. The second prototype is being built. It should be ready to fly early next year with all the necessary alterations made with the information and data gathered from the initial flights of the current prototype.
According to media reports:
Turkish Aerospace Industries (TAI) is nearing completion of the second prototype of its fifth-generation fighter jet, KAAN, which it is developing to commence flight testing.

According to Avionot.com, assembly of the second KAAN prototype and engine integration are expected to be finalized in June and July.

Subsequently, this prototype will begin comprehensive flight tests followed by the other KAAN prototypes.

According to TAI, there will be 14 prototypes of KAAN. Last two that will be built in 2028, will have indigenous engines powering them.
So there will be 11 more prototypes from which TAI will receive data to build the serial production units of block 10.

So, first near production-representative prototype will start test flights 2025. In 2026 3/4(?) aircraft will be conducting test flights?

Will TAI start production before testing is complete?

 

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So, first near production-representative prototype will start test flights 2025. In 2026 3/4(?) aircraft will be conducting test flights?

Will TAI start production before testing is complete?

Well as you saw hürjet prototype is doing whatever it wants at such early stage, i'd imagine they could do a sort of lrip of the prototype before tests are done

 

[Yasar_TR]

So, first near production-representative prototype will start test flights 2025. In 2026 3/4(?) aircraft will be conducting test flights?

Will TAI start production before testing is complete?

As you probably know a jet fighter like this being produced from scratch is an ever evolving project. Every single prototype produced will serve the purpose to improve upon the previous one; until it is decided it is mature “enough” to be applied to serial production. Whilst serial production is being realised, the plane’s design and evolution doesn’t stop. It is carried on and new ideas and parts are added to the next block.

Here the important point is, when TAI will say the block 10 is ready for serial production. We have nearly 3.5 to 4 years for this to happen according to the last timeline given to us. Once BURFIS and air to air missiles with major avionics are integrated to the plane it can start it’s interceptor role. Then other missiles and munitions can be integrated in time until block 20 comes along.
There is no completion of testing. This plane will evolve during testing and manufacturing towards being 6th generation , or at least 5.5 generation.
Once it can pass through the basic requirements it could start serving the airforce in one form or another as a 4.5 generation aircraft.

 

[Huelague]

If I remember correctly, the second and so on will have different canopy and radome design than the first prototype.

But I can't find the source anymore

Yes, the final design will have some design changes. From canopy, to size to a 30 mm canon. And more matured lines.

 

[TheInsider]

TAI is trying hard to conduct the first test flight of the second KAAN prototype by the end of 2024. The second prototype won't have combat systems at the first flight of the second prototype but those systems will be integrated as the tests continue. Combat system integration will be completed by the second half of 2026. Delivery of block 10 configuration will start by the end of 2028. This is the current rough roadmap till the delivery of block 10.