TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Spitfire9]

So and now somebody tell me again why do we need the Eurofighter???

If Kaan is to be delivered in 2028, than Why the f. do we need Eurofighter? Are we extreme rich and masochists?

1 what is the earliest KAAN could reach FOC with the Turkish air force?
2 what is the earliest Eurofighter could reach FOC with the Turkish air force?

Do the answers lend weight to a choice to order Eurofighter?

PS Prompt to stay on topic was posted while I was writing this post. Please delete if appropriate.

 

[Huelague]

So and now somebody tell me again why do we need the Eurofighter???

If Kaan is to be delivered in 2028, than Why the f. do we need Eurofighter? Are we extreme rich and masochists?


Either they tell us a lot of BS, expecting big delays in the Kaan project or something. Having Kaan delivered in 2028 and purchasing Eurofighter is non sensical

We talk about Kaan delivery in 3 years, Eurofighter is unlikely to be delivered earlier

Because we need the fighter jets today and not tomorrow.

 

[uçuyorum]

Because we need the fighter jets today and not tomorrow.

Its also called not putting all your eggs in one basket.

 

[Boykaz]

So and now somebody tell me again why do we need the Eurofighter???

If Kaan is to be delivered in 2028, than Why the f. do we need Eurofighter? Are we extreme rich and masochists?


Either they tell us a lot of BS, expecting big delays in the Kaan project or something. Having Kaan delivered in 2028 and purchasing Eurofighter is non sensical

We talk about Kaan delivery in 3 years, Eurofighter is unlikely to be delivered earlier

The Turkish air force is currently alarming. While there used to be 200+ F4 phantoms and 200+ F-16s, now this number is:
235 F-16s
30+ became F-4
In other words, we need at least 400+ war planes to regain our former power.
Kaan, 20 units will be given in 2028-2029, so it is a small number.

 

[Nutuk]

Thank you all for the answers. These are your answers:

1) Kaan will replace F16s. Eurofighter will replace F4s.
2) what is the earliest KAAN could reach FOC with the Turkish air force?
3) Because we need the fighter jets today and not tomorrow.
4) Its also called not putting all your eggs in one basket.
5) The Turkish air force is currently alarming. While there used to be 200+ F4 phantoms and 200+ F-16s, now this number is: 235 F-16s, 30+ became F-4


5 different opinions and I can add also my own opinion: The Eurofighter purchase is not definitive yet, nothing signed yet. So if I try to make sense out of it (my own opinion) Turkiye is probably trying to get a deal / license to build F110 engines. If the US does not guarantee the sale of F110 than the spare option is to buy Eurofighter and deliveries of Kaan with indigenous engine will become beyond 2030. This is how I read the situation.



As we can see, none of us know the real situation why we need the Eurofighter, everyone is trying to formulate a logical sense out of it. All viable reasonings, yet again all of them our own interpretations.

I wished SSB and our air force provided their reason. It is so flimsy when they say we need them without reasoning why, while we work hard on our own 5th generation fighter jet. I see this as sabotaging our own program .

I use the hard verdict of sabotage, cos this is the reality for or situation. We already buy 40 new F16's, add also 40 Eurofighters it makes 80 foreign aircraft which means 80 Kaan fighters less.

We do not have unlimited petro dolars like S. Arabia, if we purchase foreign jets that will translate into sacrificing in the numbers of Kaan that we will purchase. There needs to be a damn good reason to explain why we go for foreign jets instead our own product.

I hope I did not bother you too much, my aim is to provoke a real deep thought on purchasing foreign jets and the consequences of it for our own fighter program

 

[Saithan]

Thank you all for the answers. These are your answers:

1) Kaan will replace F16s. Eurofighter will replace F4s.
2) what is the earliest KAAN could reach FOC with the Turkish air force?
3) Because we need the fighter jets today and not tomorrow.
4) Its also called not putting all your eggs in one basket.
5) The Turkish air force is currently alarming. While there used to be 200+ F4 phantoms and 200+ F-16s, now this number is: 235 F-16s, 30+ became F-4


5 different opinions and I can add also my own opinion: The Eurofighter purchase is not definitive yet, nothing signed yet. So if I try to make sense out of it (my own opinion) Turkiye is probably trying to get a deal / license to build F110 engines. If the US does not guarantee the sale of F110 than the spare option is to buy Eurofighter and deliveries of Kaan with indigenous engine will become beyond 2030. This is how I read the situation.



As we can see, none of us know the real situation why we need the Eurofighter, everyone is trying to formulate a logical sense out of it. All viable reasonings, yet again all of them our own interpretations.

I wished SSB and our air force provided their reason. It is so flimsy when they say we need them without reasoning why, while we work hard on our own 5th generation fighter jet. I see this as sabotaging our own program .

I use the hard verdict of sabotage, cos this is the reality for or situation. We already buy 40 new F16's, add also 40 Eurofighters it makes 80 foreign aircraft which means 80 Kaan fighters less.

We do not have unlimited petro dolars like S. Arabia, if we purchase foreign jets that will translate into sacrificing in the numbers of Kaan that we will purchase. There needs to be a damn good reason to explain why we go for foreign jets instead our own product.

I hope I did not bother you too much, my aim is to provoke a real deep thought on purchasing foreign jets and the consequences of it for our own fighter program

Maybe you are right, but sometimes you need to burn some money in order to get what you really want, so if we end up buying 40 EF in order to get the license production of F110, then that is what we need to do. At least we'll end up with a platform that can be used until 2045-2050 in case our other plans don't deliver on time.

But I understand why you dislike the guessing game, but it's a like a poker game, and if you play with open cards and the others don't then you lose.

Which is another reason I like Hürjet so much because IMO we're playing with open cards and winning with the Hürjet project. (granted that we truly have a deal for 90+ hürjet engine purchase approved).

 

[uçuyorum]

Thank you all for the answers. These are your answers:

1) Kaan will replace F16s. Eurofighter will replace F4s.
2) what is the earliest KAAN could reach FOC with the Turkish air force?
3) Because we need the fighter jets today and not tomorrow.
4) Its also called not putting all your eggs in one basket.
5) The Turkish air force is currently alarming. While there used to be 200+ F4 phantoms and 200+ F-16s, now this number is: 235 F-16s, 30+ became F-4


5 different opinions and I can add also my own opinion: The Eurofighter purchase is not definitive yet, nothing signed yet. So if I try to make sense out of it (my own opinion) Turkiye is probably trying to get a deal / license to build F110 engines. If the US does not guarantee the sale of F110 than the spare option is to buy Eurofighter and deliveries of Kaan with indigenous engine will become beyond 2030. This is how I read the situation.



As we can see, none of us know the real situation why we need the Eurofighter, everyone is trying to formulate a logical sense out of it. All viable reasonings, yet again all of them our own interpretations.

I wished SSB and our air force provided their reason. It is so flimsy when they say we need them without reasoning why, while we work hard on our own 5th generation fighter jet. I see this as sabotaging our own program .

I use the hard verdict of sabotage, cos this is the reality for or situation. We already buy 40 new F16's, add also 40 Eurofighters it makes 80 foreign aircraft which means 80 Kaan fighters less.

We do not have unlimited petro dolars like S. Arabia, if we purchase foreign jets that will translate into sacrificing in the numbers of Kaan that we will purchase. There needs to be a damn good reason to explain why we go for foreign jets instead our own product.

I hope I did not bother you too much, my aim is to provoke a real deep thought on purchasing foreign jets and the consequences of it for our own fighter program

We were first contemplating eurofighter as an alternative, but UK and other didn't like being the backup and told us to make up our minds basically. And force saw a risk so they decided the urgency for more fighters justifies the eurofighter purchase. The timeline for when kaan will be operational and available in large numbers is still not known and not before 2030s by best estimate. We arent getting 20 kaan by 2028 like previously said, we could get 40 eurofighters before 2030 though very likely