TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Radko]

Do you know why the Russian engines gave black smoke? Because they found that fat and short combustion chambers worked best for their compressor design. After Safran helped them they managed to correct some of that shortcoming.
Our engines are designed with western tech. They probably will not give black smoke. Both TS1400 and TF6000 first ignition photos don’t show any black smoke.
Should TF35000 give black smoke, neither you nor I will know about it anyway. Also it is not the end of the world. It may be a mixture or injector fault. Today’s FADEC assisted engines control compressor and fuel injectors to give best and optimum mixture.

I think he used it as an allegory there

 

[Zafer]

Do you know why the Russian engines gave black smoke? Because they found that fat and short combustion chambers worked best for their compressor design. After Safran helped them they managed to correct some of that shortcoming.
Our engines are designed with western tech. They probably will not give black smoke. Both TS1400 and TF6000 first ignition photos don’t show any black smoke.
Should TF35000 give black smoke, neither you nor I will know about it anyway. Also it is not the end of the world. It may be a mixture or injector fault. Today’s FADEC assisted engines control compressor and fuel injectors to give best and optimum mixture.

I mentioned white smoke with several different purposes

1. White smoke means good combustion / good engine / good result
2. White smoke means a new Pope is selected, a decision is made, which is good

And of course you can take it literally and work on combustion more to whiten the black. But if the initial results are good then we should definitely go solo. I believe our engineers will get it right the first time and the development of the engine will proceed as good as we think the TF6000 engine development is going. The pride factor and bragging rights is big in defence matters and we don't want to look like we need help to make an engine and be looked down on.

 

[Ahlatshah]

It is shortsighted to think that British technology will be handed down to Türkiye Through Spain and we will enjoy having it. Look at the US and how they are sanctioning the sale of every technology that once originated from the US and went into the making of ASML eUV machines. No deal is ironclad, they can sanction you as much as they want or their small partners want. You have to create the technology yourself to own it. And it is our opportunity to create a top technology that we can call our own and we can not afford to involve anyone else in it.

The rumored and potential Spain situation and British position is not the same thing. Lets remember a bit:

We called British to get help for engine development. IP rights were going to belong two countries. We could sell the engine other countries too, without restrictions. Year was 2017 by the way. Then we did something unacceptable in the eyes of western culture, we tried to change the deal, after the seal: We tried get the Qataris and BMC involved to the project. Then RR first narrowed its position as withdraw from joint development to engineering counseling. Ultimately, deal failed altogether. Right now we wont have an engine until 2032, assuming everything goes flawlessly of course

Imagine a country that in NATO and EU with no clashing interest, which has much more experience in aviation than yours, which can get you real contribution to develop YOUR aircraft. Moreover, if a deal cut, there will be strong bond and alliance in world stage for decades to come. Then we will say no, we dont need you, just buy it or shut it

Respectfully...

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