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Because Switzerland is about peace, negotiations and not war, like war mongers all over most other European countries and of course the USA.
You know Switzerlands inglorious posture during WW2. Your whole banking system is full of blood. You are not that peaceful, you pretend to look like 😉
 

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Probably striking France or the UK with their updated doctrine. But they got hit before with ATACMs and other long-range missiles so maybe eat the storm shadow, scalp and atacms missiles than carry on. The after results I have seen of them hitting Russia seem small.

New York Times is talking about giving Ukraine nukes so maybe the new signed doctrine is aimed at nuking the countries that gave Ukraine the nukes?

Edit: hopefully this escalates the war to move faster.
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We are playing the world's most retarded game of I'm-not-touching-you, where if we win we get nothing, and if we lose it ends all life on earth.

Russia is going to strike nobody with Nukes, as far as nobody strikes Russia with nukes first, or shortly before conquered. Is has something to do with reputations.
 

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The war will be end soon. Russia will get the conquered areas. Europeans will pay the reconstruction. And BlackRock (🇺🇸)will get the rest of Ukraine. Congratulations to all! 👏🏼
 

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I remember hearing at the start of the war the Russians will be out of missiles any day now or any minute now, and still we have western leaders that state they outproduce the EU. In order for the Russians to be out of tanks and IFVs the Ukrainians have to destroy far more Russian equipment than their own, but you failed numerous times to show this. Just like another user here can't refute this.
Russia routinely runs low on missiles. That's why they aren't able to consistently saturate Ukraine with missile attacks. If they could, they would. Unfortunately for Russia, most of their production is cruise missiles and Ukraine's air defense (including aerial air defense platforms) has reached the point that most city centers are fairly protected from cruise missiles. The latest volley Russian sent, were overwhelmingly intercepted. Ballistic Missiles are still a challenge because only Patriot and SAMP/T can intercept ballistic missiles among Ukraine's air defense systems and Ukraine only has 9-10 of those systems combined, spread out across the country.

Russia's missile supply got so lo that they had to get them from North Korea to keep up their infrastructure attacks.

Russia's not going to run out of missiles. That was never the actual analysis. The argument was and still is that they would be limited their production, which means that they can't fire nearly as many as they want and certainly not as often as they want. They produce a couple hundred combined cruise and ballistic missiles per month and they use them. That's where we're at.

Russia has the same problem with their armor. They had a ton of it stockpiled, but they're burning through it. Eventually, they'll run out of what they can reasonably pull from storage and restore. In that case, they'll be limited to their new production, which amounts to approximately 200 MBTs and 500 BMPs per year. They are losing their armor at a much quicker pace than that, which means that eventually they will either have to limit operations, or resort to even more substantial meat waves, into the teeth of artillery and the evolving use of drones.

USA 🇺🇸 now recognizes this. For the first time they sent anti-personnel landmines in a defense package, because they know that Ukraine can litter fields full of them and force Russian infantry to traverse through hell.
 

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The war will be end soon. Russia will get the conquered areas. Europeans will pay the reconstruction. And BlackRock (🇺🇸)will get the rest of Ukraine. Congratulations to all! 👏🏼
Hopefully not for a while yet. We need greater destruction of the Soviet stockpile before the war ends. Unfortunately, that will cost a lot of Ukrainian lives, so if they want to negotiate I fully support them...

But I'd rather see the Russian people drown in inflation that will keep them behind the West for decades to come and for their armor to face such attrition that it will take the better part of a generation before they've rebuilt their reserves (if it's even possible). Russia will spend nearly 7% of it's GPD on the war effort in 2025. That's money that is taken from crumbling infrastructure and and over stressed Healthcare system. It's beneficial for that to happen, while they sends tens of thousands of their healthy young people to be killed and mamed. That will speed up the rate of their population decline and leave them with a defined shortage of workers as their population ages, unless they turn to immigration and the degradation of their existing culture.
 

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You didn't really answer my question, you seem to be under the impression that Russia just simply won't ever resort to launching nukes even if its just one to make a statement.
So my question remains if moscow started to get attacked by long range missiles or if NATO crossed into Russia with serious intent and started attacking positions etc you think Russia would never resort to nukes?
Long range missile attacks on Moscow: extremely unlikely to provoke a nuclear response IMO. I can imagine Putin thinking about detonating a low yield nuclear device - somewhere where it does no damage, like over the Arctic ocean - as a demonstration that he is prepared to escalate to nuclear but that is almost impossibly unlikely to me.

NATO troops going into Russia: I do not think that would happen. Too risky. I don't see NATO taking a risk like that - poising the world on the brink of nuclear war. If that extremely unlikely scenario did develop, I think Putin would demand NATO leave and give a time limit before he pushed the button. I think NATO would back down.

The NATO question does not really arise to me. I think that Ukraine would be able to survive if the limited backing it has received were massively increased with no limits on weapons use.

GDP of Ukraine + allies: $40 trillion+
GDP of Russia and allies: $4 trillion?

Russia should not win if Ukraine's allies choose to fully back it. Question is: will they change and start doing that or is it too late?
 

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Hopefully not for a while yet. We need greater destruction of the Soviet stockpile before the war ends. Unfortunately, that will cost a lot of Ukrainian lives, so if they want to negotiate I fully support them...
Sayed a non-Ukrainian people. And who is „we“?
 

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Long range missile attacks on Moscow: extremely unlikely to provoke a nuclear response IMO. I can imagine Putin thinking about detonating a low yield nuclear device - somewhere where it does no damage, like over the Arctic ocean - as a demonstration that he is prepared to escalate to nuclear but that is almost impossibly unlikely to me.

NATO troops going into Russia: I do not think that would happen. Too risky. I don't see NATO taking a risk like that - poising the world on the brink of nuclear war. If that extremely unlikely scenario did develop, I think Putin would demand NATO leave and give a time limit before he pushed the button. I think NATO would back down.

The NATO question does not really arise to me. I think that Ukraine would be able to survive if the limited backing it has received were massively increased with no limits on weapons use.

GDP of Ukraine + allies: $40 trillion+
GDP of Russia and allies: $4 trillion?

Russia should not win if Ukraine's allies choose to fully back it. Question is: will they change and start doing that or is it too late?
If you think Russia is alone, you are very wrong.
 

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Who are that allies which elaborate $4 billion together with Russia?
Russia GDP around $2 trillion
Iran GDP around $500 billion
North Korea GDP around $30 billion

Actually, nowhere near $4 trillion. I did not check, just gave a generous number with a question mark. My point is that GDP of Ukraine + allies is vastly greater than GDP of Russia + allies.
 
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Russia routinely runs low on missiles. That's why they aren't able to consistently saturate Ukraine with missile attacks. If they could, they would. Unfortunately for Russia, most of their production is cruise missiles and Ukraine's air defense (including aerial air defense platforms) has reached the point that most city centers are fairly protected from cruise missiles. The latest volley Russian sent, were overwhelmingly intercepted. Ballistic Missiles are still a challenge because only Patriot and SAMP/T can intercept ballistic missiles among Ukraine's air defense systems and Ukraine only has 9-10 of those systems combined, spread out across the country.

Russia's missile supply got so lo that they had to get them from North Korea to keep up their infrastructure attacks.

Russia's not going to run out of missiles. That was never the actual analysis. The argument was and still is that they would be limited their production, which means that they can't fire nearly as many as they want and certainly not as often as they want. They produce a couple hundred combined cruise and ballistic missiles per month and they use them. That's where we're at.

Russia has the same problem with their armor. They had a ton of it stockpiled, but they're burning through it. Eventually, they'll run out of what they can reasonably pull from storage and restore. In that case, they'll be limited to their new production, which amounts to approximately 200 MBTs and 500 BMPs per year. They are losing their armor at a much quicker pace than that, which means that eventually they will either have to limit operations, or resort to even more substantial meat waves, into the teeth of artillery and the evolving use of drones.

USA 🇺🇸 now recognizes this. For the first time they sent anti-personnel landmines in a defense package, because they know that Ukraine can litter fields full of them and force Russian infantry to traverse through hell.
1. you don't even bother to use your sources of information to gather how much Russian equipment gets destroyed in 24 hours here, but you sure do love to talk about what Ukraine can get instead every day and that is not a good sign either because it indicates Ukraine had their previous shit ordered all destroyed. If you want people here to take you serious give a daily update here for what Ukraine has done in 24 hours against the Russians other than posting reddit and oryx where they don't give timeframes of what they destroyed if they did report it you would make a list here. But you can't do that because I would draw my comparisons in return which would result in the Russians being the ones causing more casualties and destruction than what the Ukrainians can inflict back to the Russians.

2. You make claims that somehow NATO outproduces Russia in military ammunition and equipment by giving contracts, but nowhere does that show what they can produce a month and orders on contracts usually take a long ass time.

So, if Ukraine keeps getting its shit destroyed from what NATO is able to provide for Ukraine far more than Russia. And that Russia still is outproducing what NATO can produce in equipment and ammunition. What do you think that means? I think that you and Zelensky dont know what that means. The meaning is it will draw the Ukrainians to become extinct species where it won't affect the Russians making trade businesses across the world, domestically producing their own shit and continue on with their military production and technology. We don't even know yet if the Europeans will cave in after the war to save their country's energy crisis.
 

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Russia GDP around $2 trillion
Iran GDP around $500 billion
North Korea GDP around $30 billion

Actually, nowhere near $4 trillion. I did not check, just gave a generous number with a question mark. My point is that GDP of Ukraine + allies is vastly greater than GDP of Russia + allies.
Interesting that you don’t mention the most important ally. China.
 

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I lost track. Did the EU produce the million shells they said they were going to produce in a year to ship to Ukraine?
Interesting that you don’t mention the most important ally. China.
I thought China was being very careful to avoid sanctions where Ukraine was concerned. I guess the US must be China's biggest export customer for consumer goods. Mind you, halting that trade would produce a severe inflationary shock to the US so perhaps the US is turning a blind eye?
 
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Putin has just said that I am now fair game to be nuked because UK-built Storm Shadows were used to strike Kursk. I shall now contact my political representative to ask him to urge the UK government to arrange production of more Storm Shadows so that we can send more to Ukraine.

If I may get nuked because Ukraine used Storm Shadow to strike against Russian soil, I would prefer to get nuked for 1,000 Storm Shadow strikes against Russia than just a handful.
 

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