Live Conflict War in Afghanistan

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Unless the goal is UNmitigation? All is not what it appears to be, that is all I will say.

So you just going to leave all these folks like this....in this manner....for pennies on the dollar literally.

...and take the gut punch to crucial things like trust and alliances going forward (that will now all be affected by this).

It makes no sense to me.

Occam's razor clearly points to Biden senility and stubborness as cover for it (once he made up his mind)....i.e no matter what reasoning and options are given to him.

The "contingency" plans...."everyones fault but mine" ....then combined with the non-sequiter "the buck stops with me".....just doused this open gash with a heap of salt.

Tone deaf doesn't begin to describe what that is. The US military community (actual rank and file) is livid at what this was and it not needing to be this way at all.

Anyway give it a few months and a year....the discourse and blowback is just starting to brew.

Or we can see if there is some big action plan later (but that still doesnt excuse how the President has been wording all of this in the current frame of time).

Lot of nasties came out in the wash post saigon too w.r.t ARVN. That was a far more staggered withdrawal by a relatively stronger (w.r.t world) US too.
 

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Gotta love the western living Taliban apologists, ask them and not one would give up their comfortable life to live in Taliban emirate, they would be the first ones to clinge on that C17 to return to the west.

Yeah and they get banned and return with more false flags with the same laugh emotes and BS assertions.

They got lot of time on their end, they generally living off dole I guess.

So actual critical thought and rational debate (proportional to one's realised productivity generally) cannot really be expected. So hypocrisy fills the void.

It is best to let them spam the end-nodes NSA et al have left for them....and let them figure out for themselves (at their own time and dime) just what the extent of the ZOG-assertion actually is (that they also keep spouting about while using their creation even more).

Very smart people....consistent to even their own asserted warped logic. What can one say.
 

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India is one of the top countries on earth where the girl child is murdered in the culture which wants boys. The girl is then washed down the drain in a sickening habit to just have sons. This has been done in India on such a scale that your gender pyramid has become distorted. Should we get NATO to invade and bring some civilizstion?

Stop acting so uppity please. Pakistan and India are sh*tholes like Afghanistan, only the former is cleaner no giganbtic filthy slums and women are prettier. Asides that not much differance. Let's not ignore they have had 40 years of war.
While I wouldn't call it a habit based on statistics, countries like India do have a legacy of female infanticide and later foeticide but there are laws against it and except for some backward states in the North which form part of the Indus River system, the sex ratio is not as skewed.

Should NATO intervene? Sure, if the NATO countries run campaigns for education, give an impetus in any socio-economic form which prevents such a social malaise it should be welcomed.

I don't know enough about female infanticide and foeticide in Pak to offer any comment.
 
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While I wouldn't call it a habit based on statistics, countries like India do have a legacy of female infanticide and later foeticide but there are laws against it and except for some backward states in the North which form part of the Indus River system, the sex ratio is not as skewed.

Should NATO intervene? Sure, if the NATO countries run campaigns for education, give an impetus in any socio-economic form which prevents such a social malaise it should be welcomed.

I don't know enough about female infanticide and foeticide in Pak to offer any comment.

Basically false comparisons, somehow trying to justify the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and the impact that will have on women's freedoms. If situation is basically the same why are Refugees so desperate to cross over into Pak and India? At least in India there are laws against it and there are real steps being taken to ensure justice gets done. Can such comparisons be made in Afghanistan and Pak? How many rape convictions did Pak have in last 10 years? Is Marital rape considered a crime in both these countries? Is that even considered a rape?

@Kaptaan For the love of god do not compare India with Afghanistan. Ask any women here where they want to live and 100% of them including the Muslims and Taliban loving liberals will prefer to remain in India. They would not choose Pakistan either.

This is what is wrong with the so called super powers and when morons are in power in their neighboring countries. They invade, make no attempt to understand local culture. Spend 100 of millions on trying to make Afghans woke(not joking). Spend even more millions trying to alter their food habits to eat Soya bean.


Spent 20 years minting money for the military industrial complex and left just like that. Now the Talibs within the next 10 years will again destabilize the entire Central Asian region. While American woke generals will be busy reading Marxism and Wokism.
 
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Basically false comparisons, somehow trying to justify the Taliban takeover of Afghanistan and the impact that will have on women's freedoms. If situation is basically the same why are Refugees so desperate to cross over into Pak and India? At least in India there are laws against it and there are real steps being taken to ensure justice gets done. Can such comparisons be made in Afghanistan and Pak? How many rape convictions did Pak have in last 10 years? Is Marital rape considered a crime in both these countries? Is that even considered a rape?

@Kaptaan For the love of god do not compare India with Afghanistan. Ask any women here where they want to live and 100% of them including the Muslims and Taliban loving liberals will prefer to remain in India. They would not choose Pakistan either.

This is what is wrong with the so called super powers and when morons are in power in their neighboring countries. They invade, make no attempt to understand local culture. Spend 100 of millions on trying to make Afghans woke(not joking). Spend even more millions trying to alter their food habits to eat Soya bean.


Spent 20 years minting money for the military industrial complex and left just like that. Now the Talibs within the next 10 years will again destabilize the entire Central Asian region. While American woke generals will be busy reading Marxism and Wokism.
Yes, "whataboutism" pervades the forum across threads.
 

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I hope talibans have some digitalisation plans and to consider bit coin as backbone of their future financing system, long term shot but it would help them in so many ways, less dependant on global system, cool pr, informatic literacy, energy projects along implementation etc.
Before anyone put laughing reaction, i said plans and consideration implementing those plans in midterm period at least partially.
 

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Afghanistan: Pakistan fences off from Afghan refugees​

By Sarah Atiq
BBC News, Pakistani-Afghan border

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An armed Taliban fighter (left) and an armed Pakistani soldier at the Torkham crossing on the Pakistani-Afghan border

Taliban fighters and Pakistani soldiers are now guarding the Torkham crossing side-by-side

On the surface, it almost looks normal on this part of the Pakistani-Afghan border.

But a closer look would show how much things have changed.

The tricolour flag of the Republic of Afghanistan has been replaced with the white flag of the Islamic Emirates of Afghanistan, and in place of Afghan border security forces now stand gun-holding bearded Taliban militants.

They are now in control of Torkham - the busiest crossing with Pakistan.

A few days back, hundreds of panicked Afghan civilians gathered here for days, desperate for a way out.

Then what seemed inevitable happened: outnumbered Afghan police forces surrendered to the Taliban.

Pakistan, worried about a fighting spillover, had shut its side of the border prior to the Taliban's takeover. But after brief closure it was reopened for trade and restricted pedestrian movement.

Normally, about 6,000-7,000 people would travel between the two countries daily - but today there are hardly 50 people standing on the Afghanistan side to enter Pakistan.

It's taking longer than usual. Pakistani security officials say that they don't want any militants to enter disguised as civilians. That's why they have made the vetting process at the border more strict.

Torkham has been the main point of refugees' influx into Pakistan for decades.
An Afghan man walks with a baby at the Torkham crossing on the Pakistani-Afghan border

An Afghan man with a baby crosses into Pakistan at Torkham

Now the number of Afghans seeking refuge is much lower.

The Taliban are not letting anyone out. Only traders or those with valid travel documents are allowed to cross.

But it's not the only thing keeping Afghan refugees away.

Amid increasing violence across the border in recent years, Pakistan has been fencing itself off from Afghanistan. All border crossings are now heavily manned, making it impossible for Afghan refugees to enter without government consent.

Just a few metres away from the border, Ahsan Khan, 56, was busy taking out his luggage from a taxi. He was off to the Afghan city of Jalalabad.

"I have been travelling from this border since I was in school. There was a time when my father would take us directly to Jalalabad without any checks," Mr Khan says.

Afghans wait behind a fence to cross into Pakistan at Torkham

Some of the few Afghans waiting to enter Pakistan, at the usually busy Torkham crossing

Since June 2016, the Pakistani government has made a valid passport and visa mandatory for all Afghans wanting to cross into Pakistan.

"How can you expect Afghan refugees to come to this border when the people they are trying to flee are standing right here. And where would poor uneducated Afghans get passport and a visa in these circumstances?" Mr Khan asks.

A small market just a few kilometres away from Torkham is frequented by Afghans who had fled to Pakistan.

Owaid Ali owns a small food stall. He says he hasn't seen any Afghan refugees in the market since the Taliban took over the border.

"A few days ago when the Taliban were rapidly taking control of cities, Afghans who came here told me how worried they are at the prospect of living under Taliban rule. But I don't know how will they escape that life now," Mr Ali says.

Almost three million Afghan refugees, half of them unregistered, have been living in Pakistan for decades.

But now the government in Islamabad says it has reached its limit and cannot accept more people from the war-torn country, despite pleas from the UN refugees' agency.

 
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