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[RadenSudirman]

Selama TNI doktrinnya masih merebut wilayah yang dikuasai musuh ya sulit punya doktrin pre emptive strike kaya israel atau singapore, mindset dan strategi TNI yg sepertinya harus di ubah

Kapan Singapore pernah membuktikan "doktrin" mereka? Tidak pernah, maka itu cuma omong kosong, teori tanpa praktek, omdo

Realita di Indonesia itu begini: Rakyatnya saja gak mau ada "preemptive strike".

"Huhu aku gak mau Indonesia "imperialis"
"Aku gak mau "multipolar", maunya unipolar di bawah AS agar negara-negara lain gak kompetisi"
"Kita itu gak perlu kuat, yang penting rakyatnya sejahtera"
"Indonesia aneksasi Timor Timur 100% salah"
"Kita harus kasih Papua hak untuk referendum"
"Anggaran pertahanan dan militer itu tidak berguna, uangnya buat pembangunan saja"

Kalau rakyatnya saja begitu, apa ekspektasimu sama pemerintah eksekutif? Apakah rakyat mau kita ada "preemptive strike"? Kalau kamu tanya saya, maka opini saya sekalian saja gambar strategi untuk skenario intervensi ke seluruh Asia Tenggara, dan bangun kekuatan militer sebesar mungkin. Tapi toh rakyatmu sendiri banyak yang menentang gagasan semacam itu, mau gimana hayo.

Lagipula "preemptive strike" itu perlu musuh yang jelas. Israel musuhnya jelas negara-negara Arab muslim, Singapura potensi musuhnya adalah KITA

Sedangkan bagaimana orang Indonesia melihat dunia luar?

Kalau bilang musuh Indonesia itu Barat, dibilang antek Rusia dan China/ Tankie

Kalau bilang musuh kita China, dibilang PLA itu jauh jauh lebih kuat dari TNI, jadi kita gak akan menang

Jadinya maunya orang Indonesia itu apa? kamu pikirkan itu dulu sebelum mengagumi sesuatu tanpa memahami konteksnya

 

[Gary]

It's kinda alarming the progress the Australia with Aukus lately, first with nuclear submarine and now with tomahawk, we'll be crush in the middle if both parties (China vs Aukus) fight, i guess we should step up our game plan also, is there any plan to own and develop our own long range cruise missile, having missile like khan help but the range was to short,

Do not follow the likes of Iran or NorKo, relying too much on missiles. Like it or not traditional airpower that counts. We're talking about long range strike fighters, VLO jets, AWACS, tankers...

kinzhal will be nice or Kalibr will be better, i am pointing out russian weapons because there's no way we could have tomahawk from the US

I was called 2nd Connie back then when I float the idea that we should start lobbying for J-35 sale. Like it or not, the U.S will never sell us their top of the line weaponry, and certainly not F-35s in the face of Oz and SG objection. So we should find 5th gen jet out there whatever the cost because stealth aircraft is a basic necessity in modern war.

Hell I don't think the U.S would sell us D3 AMRAAM's.

 

[Lordimperator]

https://id.usembassy.gov/united-states-indonesia-announce-partnership-on-small-modular-reactor-nuclear-clean-energy/

Bye bye Rosatom

 

[Madokafc]

 

[RadenSudirman]

New tank idea from China, what do you think guys?

 

[Van Kravchenko]

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New tank idea from China, what do you think guys?

Remember me to cold-war futuristic design tank.

 

[RadenSudirman]

Remember me to cold-war futuristic design tank.

Is it realistic though, why is it towed lmao. I just realized that the ammo is in different chasis than the turret

 

[Madokafc]

 

[Lordimperator]

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hopefully nothing bad happen between 2024 -2029

 

[RadenSudirman]

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Majapahit punya 5 Armada, dan menurutku itu postur yang ideal. 3 Armada: Barat, Tengah, Timur, 1 Armada RI, 1 Armada cadangan (reserve fleet)

 

[Madokafc]

Majapahit punya 5 Armada, dan menurutku itu postur yang ideal. 3 Armada: Barat, Tengah, Timur, 1 Armada RI, 1 Armada cadangan (reserve fleet)

Tiga armada aja cukup apalagi kalau isinya sekelas armada ke enam atau ketujuh

 

[Van Kravchenko]

Is it realistic though, why is it towed lmao. I just realized that the ammo is in different chasis than the turret

Swedish already made it with UDES XX-20.

No production so far, beside why risking put eggs in one basket? Once it disabled the loss can cost a huge toll.

 

[RadenSudirman]

Tiga armada aja cukup apalagi kalau isinya sekelas armada ke enam atau ketujuh

I think we should have what the Japanese had during WW2, Kido Butai AKA Elite Carrier Strike Group. They had 4 Carriers, and in the Battle of Midway, went up against 3 American carriers (which is also under one command).

Koarmada RI AKA the "Kostrad of TNI AL", shall be designed in that manner, with 2 Carriers, KRI Majapahit and KRI Sriwijaya. Other regular 3 Fleets hold certain territory, but Armada RI can be committed at will and has the most firepower.

 

[RadenSudirman]

No production so far, beside why risking put eggs in one basket? Once it disabled the loss can cost a huge toll.

We should hope the Chinese take this design seriously and produce it, will make our job easier in the future

 

[Lordimperator]

Tiga armada aja cukup apalagi kalau isinya sekelas armada ke enam atau ketujuh

Sekelas Marina Militare cukuplah

 

[Madokafc]

I think we should have what the Japanese had during WW2, Kido Butai AKA Elite Carrier Strike Group. They had 4 Carriers, and in the Battle of Midway, went up against 3 American carriers (which is also under one command).

Koarmada RI AKA the "Kostrad of TNI AL", shall be designed in that manner, with 2 Carriers, KRI Majapahit and KRI Sriwijaya. Other regular 3 Fleets hold certain territory, but Armada RI can be committed at will and has the most firepower.

This is where Aircraft carrier is the utmost important element ever

Sekelas Marina Militare cukuplah

Ya kurang lah, Indonesia negara kepulauan terbesar di dunia, tetangganya di laut gahar gahar, Italia negara di tengah Mediterania ....

 

[Lordimperator]

Ya kurang lah, Indonesia negara kepulauan terbesar di dunia, tetangganya di laut gahar gahar, Italia negara di tengah Mediterania ....

gimana kalau sekelas JMSDF, 1/2 aja dulu kali ya buat 10 tahun kedepan.

BTW kalau FREMM jadi 6 biji + 2 Maestrale, kelas Ahmad Yani masih bakalan dipensiunkan kah?

 

[Nilgiri]

Remember me to cold-war futuristic design tank.

reminds me more of a churchill with flamethrower trailer hehe

 

[Van Kravchenko]

reminds me more of a churchill with flamethrower trailer hehe

It works, but deemed impractical.
Tanks has gone many history of design from turetless to multi turreted tank. today MBTs were the peak of it's development

 

[NEKO]

It works, but deemed impractical.
Tanks has gone many history of design from turetless to multi turreted tank. today MBTs were the peak of it's development

Current MBT still can be improved further by improving its SUK.