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Salah satu dari ini udah crash
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Yang motif macan itu?
Habis Bu SM pusing pengadaan alutsista, giliran Bu RM pusing tarik tambang G20
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Luhut Ogah Didikte Tesla Lagi: Indonesia Bukan Republik Pisang
Menko Marves Luhut Pandjaitan mengatakan Tesla kembali menyampaikan minatnya untuk berinvestasi usai gagal dua tahun lalu. Namun, Luhut memberi syarat.
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Oh ternyata kemaren Tesla ga jadi investasi karena terlalu rewel.Luhut Ogah Didikte Tesla Lagi: Indonesia Bukan Republik Pisang
Menko Marves Luhut Pandjaitan mengatakan Tesla kembali menyampaikan minatnya untuk berinvestasi usai gagal dua tahun lalu. Namun, Luhut memberi syarat.
pantesan ga ada kelanjutannya
Biden Mau G20 Hadirkan Ukraina Jika Indonesia Undang Rusia
Presiden Amerika Serikat, Joe Biden merasa Ukraina perlu diundang meski tidak masuk dalam daftar anggota negara G20.
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They really did it
Though that's assuming Ukraine wouldn't fall by then
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sebelum Biden bilang gini, kita2 disini sudah punya ide yang sama kan. Saya yakin orang2 di kemenlu juga begitu. Tapi lihat aja waktu kita beneran undang Ukraina, nanti juga diframing kita ngekor US lagi!!?View attachment 41554
Biden Mau G20 Hadirkan Ukraina Jika Indonesia Undang Rusia
Presiden Amerika Serikat, Joe Biden merasa Ukraina perlu diundang meski tidak masuk dalam daftar anggota negara G20.
They really did it
Though that's assuming Ukraine wouldn't fall by then
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That's why the general staff system is important, having one coherent "brain" of the army that coordinates every major military action.
Instead, we have fools on the internet that complained, saying "why 3 stars generals do not command but 2 stars generals command? this is a bad command structure" = Absolutely ignorant of the purpose of the military structure.
Though much of our military is also guilty of being obsessed over tactical assignments. This tactical obsession coupled with decentralized management and command may pose a problem similar to that of Russia. Tactics can only win engagement, but strategic and logistical ingenuity wins battles and war itself.
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We are having an artillery-related convo here if any Indonesians also are interested in such subject:
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Are you sure L&T's offering is a license manufactured K21? Since most of the recent reports were stating it's a JV between DRDO and L&T Its not directly on order but as they offered a tank based on K-9 Chasis and L&T has proved that they can absorb the technology , assemble a product and keep...
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Basically:
Commander in Chief = Presiden
Commander of the Military = Panglima
Highest ranking commander of each branch = Kepala Staf
The "staf" part here is often not understood well. This staff system goes back to the 1700s when the Austrians realized that the commander of army units, has to do a lot of thinking in regard to army command and organization and that even before commencing battle itself (which is very complex). Commanders have to think about logistics, intelligence, personnel, etc, of course, this much burden makes relying solely on commanders alone is not advantageous within the context of the complexity of modern warfare.
That is why they came up with a military system that helps the commander deals with these grinding works. Hence the "general staff" system, which could both mean "general's staff" and "staffs doing general works". This system was then adopted and perfected by the French during Napoleon, and then famously, by the Germans during their series of wars in the 1860s-1870s. Then almost all militaries copied this system. TNI also makes use of this kind of arrangement, that the highest ranking of AD, AL, and AU, are members of the staff system, only below them are the field commanders. For example this is AD organization (sorry for the poor quality)
If you see the "unsur pembantu pimpinan", that's the basic general staff, while all others supports the basic functions further into "pelaksana pusat" (attached to general staff) that helps to coordinate and control the military, up to field commanders like Kodam and Kostrad (not general staff, though they have their own staff system). This stuff is essential to make a modern military, which is very complex, even barely functional. But if the personnel of the staff is competent, we can expect a well-led, well-equipped, and well-drilled army.
Very decentralized in fact. Hence we have komando structure with their Dan (Komandan) being not attached with the general staff but semi-autonomous. Of course, they must obey the Headquarters (Mabes) when it requires so, but day-to-day management and tactical consideration is up to the field commanders. Units from Kopassus, Kostrad, and Kodam (notice all are "komando), were often went rouge and headquarters might not know exactly what they are doing at all times. Hence "pelaksana pusat" is important to maintain control i.e military police function, intelligence function.
It often goes backward that you expected: It is the Headquarters that struggle to control their underlings, rather than underlings having to ask permission for anything. That is why you see Panglima Andika recently has to investigate the matters with the KKB attack that killed 3 personnel due to negligence by the officers: because the field officers have that much flexibility and decentralized command, that central command struggle to monitor them.
Very bureaucratic. It poses a paradox that command is decentralized, but bureaucracy is centralized. I have had a Psikotes at a military psychology center, and oh boy the papers, loads of paper, also slow bureaucracy due to them answering directly to central command. But the thing is, while HQ determines the rules and details of the military bureaucracy system, still, it is the pelaksana who manages them on the ground. Hence why the commanders of regional commands and centers are able to sort of manipulate bureaucratic documents. Because whilst the matter regarding recruitment and promotion is centralized, the ones who manage all of these in the field are decentralized. So without proper monitoring and enforcement, only in theory that the military is heavily controlled by legal and bureaucratic rules. But in reality, rules and conduct are skewed in favor of the commanding officer's interest.
Though this is true for every military, especially the Army. That is why the US Army is also stereotypically very bureaucratic in system and personnel's attitude. Also, some fun fact is that, in Asia, the closest country that resembles Indonesia's military and police system, is China.
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Also are the logistics supply rate-driven (from centre to unit) or pressure fed (unit from centre) responsive.
This often is correlated.
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Logistic in Indonesia armed Forces always supply rate Driven. Central always had the final say on what available on each level of units. This imperative to ensure the mobilization of logistic is in work considering the nature of Indonesian geography, and prevent some funny ideas in remote area
From previous experience, the armed Forces under Presiden direct order would set up "special" Operational Command Staff during the conflict happened. As example, Komando Mandala during Trikora Operation. This set up would let the Operational Command Staff to direct and mobilized resource from their area of command. Another example is during Operation Lotus (Seroja), central always dictated the logistic management issue
Actually, throughout history, the basic principle of command and control remains the same. It is just military organization and communication technology evolved. It is simply how the commander decides and give commands, how his junior officers relay the information and lead troops on the ground, and how the soldier fight based on their orders.
If we are talking about such a large-scale operation, usually they will make an ad hoc Military Command, like for example Komando Mandala in Trikora. We can assume that th military command HQ will coordinate the units with that, though if we talk about the detail, we are moving the topic away from command structure to tactical consideration.
Sort of like that, the commander and his staff plan the campaign and then coordinate units during the execution to achieve the military objective in a coherent manner. So if we talk about strategy it is the HQ job, tactical units do not normally plan strategy. What they do is that they can figure out tactics themselves. Strategy is the overall general large-scale plan of the campaign, which is HQ's job. While tactics are what the field unit employs to achieve particular military objectives or win engagement, it is simply a matter of performing a task successfully.
The doctrine with tactical flexibility is mostly formalized in "mission command" doctrine, or in German term "Auftragstaktik". HQ plan strategy and give objectives, while field units can freely determine how they can achieve it, so operation is based on mission and not on order (because it is inflexible).
That's the matter of military tactical doctrine. Usually our military only deploys a particular unit only and not multiple (i.e. only infantry battalion), unless, of course, they are in a major military operation. The only units we have that can call air or artillery supports directly, are probably Kostrad and Marinir because Pasmar and Divif have all three combat units, Infantry, Cavalry, and Artillery, so they can easily request support from one another. Though if we talk about air support, that depends, they need a liaison to either Pusperbad/ Pusnerbal (notice that they are not Komando, but Pusat), or liaison to air force (therefore need a military command).
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i am agree that's remark is uncalled and unnecessary. They got 10 Marshall of Soviet Union who leading the red army during great patriotic war and more than 2000 Hero of Soviet Union, they should just writing those names
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Ukrainian Embassy just took it too far. They should put more politically moderate Ukrainian to be get more support from the broader demography here.
Forget their crimes and political views for a while, what they did were inspiring Ukrainian to fight for their country, increase their morale. Even their past associations with Nazi and anti-semitism, but at the end, their only allegiance were for Ukraine.
Personally, i stand with Ukraine for shared value of democracy, against the system which people can’t make any changes and the only mechanism for change is civil disobedience that could become bloody rather than change using ballot. Even though working with politically extremists like in AANES with the Anarchists, Apoists, even Communists or in Ukraine with the local far–right ultranationalists, the end point is democratic system to be enacted and stop the autocratic and totalitarian regimes to spread.
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I think they considered Soviet Union represent nothing with Ukraine now. Same as Poland now that they are associated themselves with the history of Armia Krajowa rather than Communist.
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They're diying, but no ones bats an eye. I always admire Marine Corps so much, I hope they cut Egnasisus from the board.
