TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Hexciter]

The large fighter in the aft side is TFX.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1479032327984631812

 

[what]

Space and Aviation engineering center

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1479134069690613764

Is the girl at 0:20 using Windows Vista??

 

[TheInsider]

Wasn't it 1.4 mach before? Damn this airplane keeps getting slower after each update lol. Excited about it regardless. Happy to see the overall performance gains.

It was 1.2 at the start of the project then it became 1.4 after the selection of the F-404 engine. Now it is 1.3 because the wing area is increased so that it can land on carriers. Increased wing area decreased maximum speed. Climb ability is also increased from 39000 feet/minute to 45000 feet/minute.

 

[Cabatli_TR]

• TUSAŞ in 2028: 10,000 technicians and 10,000 engineers
• TUSAŞ HAB space and aviation sub-industry in 2028: 15,000 employees

 

[Yasar_TR]

Turks have still engine problems. Congress can delay the entire project with a single resolution. Do Turks have a solution for this?

That danger is always there. But….
We have frigates and corvettes being built in our own shipyards. US has not made it difficult with the supply of gas turbines for them. GE has signed a MOU with our TEI to service and part production of LM2500 and LM500 gas turbines.
We have a Blackhawk production project with them. It is moving on smoothly. Their engines being produced in house with over 65% local participation, including the hot parts like single crystal turbine blades.
Engines for Turkish and Philippines T-129 helicopters have been delivered without problem.
GE has 46% stake in TEI. They know that TEI can manufacture more than 50% of the F110 in house. With the rest of the parts being readily available from known suppliers, it wouldn’t be too difficult to clone an engine similar to F110.
Yes. Congress could make it difficult for Turkey to progress with TFX production by blocking engine supply. But it would only delay it. It would also alienate Turkey further away from US.
At a recent interview, the SSB head Mr Demir mentioned that the supply of engines for the first batch of the serial production of TFX was confirmed by US.
There is a program to produce an indigenous engine “similar” to F110GE132 with a thrust level of 32000-35000lbf for TFX. Not much is known about at what stage this program is.

 

[TheInsider]

Congress can't block engines for prototypes unless congress goes to extreme lengths. The engine price is under the threshold for congress to step in.
TEI has a partnership with GE. GE owns a big portion of TEI shares and TEI is a huge supplier for American engines. If TEI stops delivering parts due to the American embargo it will also have consequences for the US. This won't be something like kicking Türkiye out of the F-35 program. TUSAS can be replaced with another company for the F-35 project with some slight problems but there are very few engine suppliers with the capability and capacity of TEI. Replacing TEI means huge investments that won't ramp up before a few years.

 

[Nutuk]

Engines are still the weakest point of Turkey, it was for Israeli LAVI as well

 

[Nilgiri]

Congress can't block engines for prototypes unless congress goes to extreme lengths. The engine price is under the threshold for congress to step in.
TEI has a partnership with GE. GE owns a big portion of TEI shares and TEI is a huge supplier for American engines. If TEI stops delivering parts due to the American embargo it will also have consequences for the US. This won't be something like kicking Türkiye out of the F-35 program. TUSAS can be replaced with another company for the F-35 project with some slight problems but there are very few engine suppliers with the capability and capacity of TEI. Replacing TEI means huge investments that won't ramp up before a few years.

Not really, the production and parts volume done by TEI can be referenced to GE aviation total revenue quite readily.

As an example, one out of 5 (each can be looked at similarly):

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/projects/international-projects/genx-engine

Relative to about 12 billion GE Aviation sells in equipment only per year (excl services).

The % ratios dont match up as a critical cost for GE to divert to other facilities.
They own the critical IP in the end to shift if need be.

TEI total revenue seems to be around 300 - 500 million USD per year range.
The sunk in capital costs might be inferred from that to be around range of 1 - 2 billion USD.
Could be less, depends on some factors that need deeper research + analysis that takes more time.

Any case...Competitive supplier at this stage yes, but criticality (to total supply chain pressure) needs far greater volumes than that and also plenty of local IP ownership.

Further look into this would need delving into IP transfer volumes and international patent grant analysis of Turkey.
Things I have only largely looked at for developing countries in the case of PRC, India (relative to West, Japan etc) to chart their progress (and the problems they face that are not discussed about much past the 95% volumetric surface-numbers media copy paste).

Commercial flows are very different thing to bring to bear politically (ITAR or other sanction options) compared to military engines to begin with.

Consider (in the latter) the far fewer units involved and the further extra critical IP integration found compared to commercial engine.
It is all seen in the price/thrust in very raw scope way.

So it is doubtful there is even any relevant intersection between military and commercial in this matter to begin with.

It is literally how the engine majors all have facilities in PRC, but PRC faces a commensurate IP wall by ITAR at same time (regd military + sensitive IP)

How Turkey hedges all of this and develops, tests and certifies "clones"/"iterations" in lateral and then vertical way in all the various disciplines needed (for military turbofan) is something that remains to be seen.

It is not guaranteed....though Turks do have basis for relative optimism compared to lot of countries in general.

 

[mulj]

Now with new aeorspace facility opened and seeing in near future finalizing initial phase of TFX project I think it is right time to start working on expansion of TFX international ecosystem by incorporating countries which have needs for 5th gen airframe like Pakistan, Indonesia, Algeria. Yes, it is double edge sword and lot micromanagement in order to protect "secrets" and at same time satisfy their own demands but it is sort of necessity for long term project viability.

 

[TheInsider]

Not really, the production and parts volume done by TEI can be referenced to GE aviation total revenue quite readily.

As an example, one out of 5 (each can be looked at similarly):

https://www.tei.com.tr/en/projects/international-projects/genx-engine

Relative to about 12 billion GE Aviation sells in equipment only per year (excl services).

The % ratios dont match up as a critical cost for GE to divert to other facilities.
They own the critical IP in the end to shift if need be.

TEI total revenue seems to be around 300 - 500 million USD per year range.
The sunk in capital costs might be inferred from that to be around range of 1 - 2 billion USD.
Could be less, depends on some factors that need deeper research + analysis that takes more time.

Any case...Competitive supplier at this stage yes, but criticality (to total supply chain pressure) needs far greater volumes than that and also plenty of local IP ownership.

Further look into this would need delving into IP transfer volumes and international patent grant analysis of Turkey.
Things I have only largely looked at for developing countries in the case of PRC, India (relative to West, Japan etc) to chart their progress (and the problems they face that are not discussed about much past the 95% volumetric surface-numbers media copy paste).

Commercial flows are very different thing to bring to bear politically (ITAR or other sanction options) compared to military engines to begin with.

Consider (in the latter) the far fewer units involved and the further extra critical IP integration found compared to commercial engine.
It is all seen in the price/thrust in very raw scope way.

So it is doubtful there is even any relevant intersection between military and commercial in this matter to begin with.

It is literally how the engine majors all have facilities in PRC, but PRC faces a commensurate IP wall by ITAR at same time (regd military + sensitive IP)

How Turkey hedges all of this and develops, tests and certifies "clones"/"iterations" in lateral and then vertical way in all the various disciplines needed (for military turbofan) is something that remains to be seen.

It is not guaranteed....though Turks do have basis for relative optimism compared to lot of countries in general.

TEI offers the best price/performance ratio(produce top quality for very low prices) and for some advanced processes(like inertia welding), TEI is one of the three available plants of the GE logistical chain.

 

[MADDOG]

There are unconfirmed reports that Washington has offered Turkey engine technology for the National Combat Aircraft















Says the controversial Turkishfacts4u dude on Twitter. I know he isn't a trustworthy source just thought it was interesting. Personally, I highly doubt it. I doubt everything US related these days.

 

[Abdelaziz]

There are unconfirmed reports that Washington has offered Turkey engine technology for the National Combat Aircraft















Says the controversial Turkishfacts4u dude on Twitter. I know he isn't a trustworthy source just thought it was interesting. Personally, I highly doubt it. I doubt everything US related these days.

There is no such thing .. tech belongs to the well-known firms .. the gov even if they will to do cant force them .. and there is no such case .. it is just propaganda of delusional person

 

[MADDOG]

There is no such thing .. tech belongs to the well-known firms .. the gov even if they will to do cant force them .. and there is no such case .. it is just propaganda of delusional person

I thought so too. I dunno where he obtained such info in the first place. Anyways back to topic...

 

[TheInsider]

Lol if that recent pieces of news are true the US must be on the ropes in the great power competition. F-35 offer, engine offer, what is next? THAAD offer?

 

[MADDOG]

Lol if that recent pieces of news are true the US must be on the ropes in the great power competition. F-35 offer, engine offer, what is next? THAAD offer?

Could be LMFAO

 

[kenny]

If the supply of F-35s with America is indeed correct, it would be perfect for us. Not 80, but even 60 is suitable for us for now.

 

[Huelague]

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Lol if that recent pieces of news are true the US must be on the ropes in the great power competition. F-35 offer, engine offer, what is next? THAAD offer?

Which F-35 offer?

 

[TheInsider]

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Which F-35 offer?

Reportedly the US now wants to sell us F-35s.

According to White House sources Prez Biden set up a commission to fix the bad relations between Türkiye and the US. The first advice of this commission looks to be withdrawing from the east med issue that is done immediately. The US also notified the third parties (Greece, Israel, Egypt) about this decision The second one is selling F-35s to Türkiye. It is tied to the S-400 issue so Turkish and the US delegations are discussing the matter but there is no news about the PKK/YPG problem and I think this one is the most important problem between the US and Türkiye.

You guys will see that the US will become super friendly with Türkiye after 2025. The great power competition is not going well for the US. The US is losing in every theater. Belarus, Ukraine, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, Central Asia, Libya, and Africa. The US will feel the heat of great power competition more and more. Türkiye is a big asset for NATO in every one of those theaters while players like Greece are unimportant.

 

[Ryder]

If the supply of F-35s with America is indeed correct, it would be perfect for us. Not 80, but even 60 is suitable for us for now.

F35B for me!!!

Turkish Airforce would get the F35A while the Turkish Navy will get the F35B.

I dont think the F35B has any use for the Turkish airforce unless they really have a requirement for vtol.

 

[Manomed]

F35B for me!!!

Turkish Airforce would get the F35A while the Turkish Navy will get the F35B.

I dont think the F35B has any use for the Turkish airforce unless they really have a requirement for vtol.

ayo we getting the f35s?