TR TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Lonewolf]

I think they are going to use motorsich infrastructures till they build their owns

With reports of cooperation with Russia , is it viable ??

 

[peers]

Kale Arge - Test Center

There is an altitude test facility belonging to KALE-arge company in Turkey. It is the only one for now, but when TAI's investments such as wind tunnel and lightning test center are completed, it will most likely be gained in this facility.

In addition, the time given for the completion of the domestic engine is 2026-2028. Most likely, the high altitude test center will be opened by this date.

 

[Abdelaziz]

With reports of cooperation with Russia , is it viable ??

Yes it is viable .. there is no relation between the two aspects

 

[Abdelaziz]

Yes it is viable .. there is no relation between the two aspects

As far as i remember .. TAI made agreements with motorsich recently to co-develop turbojet engines .. this will include surely the test infrastructures ... Just like tfx programm .. the design phase started 10 years ago but they built the test facilities later and still many under construction

 

[Yasar_TR]

Motor Sich may be involved in certain parts being produced for the auxiliary power units to be used in TFX. But that is all.
On the other hand, Motor Sich is producing 14 helicopter engines for the 11ton class attack helicopter project of Turkey.
TR Motor company has made a joint venture agreement with Ivchenko Progress for TFX‘s engine development work.
There is close cooperation between Turkey and Ukraine. But TFX project is being helped by BAE Systems and TAI doesn’t really need more involvement unless there is financial cooperation.
When the engine production start taking shape then may be some external help may be sought.

 

[MADDOG]

-Parts production of the National Combat Aircraft continue
-Software teams' work has intensified as we speak
-HAVELSAN aims to develop software solutions to aid the scheduling of the TF-X
-Work is also being carried out to improve cost management and performance

 

[Huelague]

I still prefer trust vectoring nozzles of F-22. Even it increase the cost of TFX.

 

[MADDOG]

I still prefer trust vectoring nozzles of F-22. Even it increase the cost of TFX.

I had a conversation with a couple of TAI engineers a year or two ago. I asked them about the possibility of equipping the TF-X with TVC nozzles. None seemed to be as excited about the idea as I was! A couple of responses that I received were "close range dogfighting has lost its meaning", "it's unnecessary", "the aircraft is highly maneuverable by design, thrust vectoring technology is way too complicated to work on at this stage" etc. So... by the looks of things I don't think it's happening man lol. But I do believe that it was evaluated.

 

[Zafer]

There are few planes with thrust vectoring and the complications and the additional weight it will put on the plane is not worth the effort at this day and age.

 

[Huelague]

I had a conversation with a couple of TAI engineers a year or two ago. I asked them about the possibility of equipping the TF-X with TVC nozzles. None seemed to be as excited about the idea as I was! A couple of responses that I received were "close range dogfighting has lost its meaning", "it's unnecessary", "the aircraft is highly maneuverable by design, thrust vectoring technology is way too complicated to work on at this stage" etc. So... by the looks of things I don't think it's happening man lol. But I do believe that it was evaluated.

I dont like the idea that many people think „dogfights“ are out. Maybe not in the number as in the past, but dogfight still exist. Greece as an example. If the „enemy“ is that close as the Greeks are, dogfights are not obsolete and inevitable. Even it will be obsolete in the future. Agility is still important. How will the plane dodge an incoming missile/ammunition without agility.

 

[Huelague]

I had a conversation with a couple of TAI engineers a year or two ago. I asked them about the possibility of equipping the TF-X with TVC nozzles. None seemed to be as excited about the idea as I was! A couple of responses that I received were "close range dogfighting has lost its meaning", "it's unnecessary", "the aircraft is highly maneuverable by design, thrust vectoring technology is way too complicated to work on at this stage" etc. So... by the looks of things I don't think it's happening man lol. But I do believe that it was evaluated.

I dont like the idea that many people think „dogfights“ are out. Maybe not in the number as in the past, but dogfight still exist. Greece as an example. If the „enemy“ is that close as the Greeks are, dogfights are not obsolete and inevitable. Even it will be in the future. Agility is still important. How will the plane dodge an incoming missile without agility.

 

[Oublious]

I dont like the idea that many people think „dogfights“ are out. Maybe not in the number as in the past, but dogfight still exist. Greece as an example. If the „enemy“ is that close as the Greeks are, dogfights are not obsolete and inevitable. Even it will be obsolete in the future. Agility is still important. How will the plane dodge an incoming missile/ammunition without agility.

Nope, if war breaks out our F16 would never go for dogfight.

 

[Huelague]

Nope, if war breaks out our F16 would never go for dogfight.

I think you are wrong here. But it’s just hypothetical.

 

[Brokengineer]

I think you are wrong here. But it’s just hypothetical.

I would not say there wont be any dogfights but it is obvious in a war situation, it will begin with bvr missiles , then wvr missiles, after that go for guns usually.

 

[MADDOG]

I think you are wrong here. But it’s just hypothetical.

I don't think anyone is ruling agility out since the TF-X is supposedly a highly maneuverable aircraft. On paper, it's till going to be very agile. It's just better to know your priorities. Would you as an inexperienced company a) Develop TVC nozzles in hopes that it will gift you super-maneuverability, or b) act accordingly with future interests, go with a low risk-high reward approach? If I were the head of TAI I would choose the latter. The concept of aerial warfare has changed and it will not stop changing. If you want to survive, you gotta adapt. The Su-57 has 3D thrust vectoring. Does this mean that airplane is better than the F-35? That's questionable. I mean we don't even know how well the Su-57 would fare against a Rafale or a Eurofighter. Aircraft based on the canard delta configuration are known to be very agile as well. Thrust vectoring is a good tool to have but it is incredibly overrated at the same time. But I'm not saying TF-X shouldn't have it. Just stressing the fact that TAI knows about their priorities better than we do. First we need a flying prototype of this TF-X or whatever its name will be... Then we can start working on thrust vectoring.

 

[Saithan]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1489572422957289473

So roll out or flying. The tweet makes me wonder if the person mistranslated to english.

 

[Huelague]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1489572422957289473

So roll out or flying. The tweet makes me wonder if the person mistranslated to english.

Kotil said roll out. Can they (TFX) fly? Yes. Will they fly? No.

 

[GoatsMilk]

I dont like the idea that many people think „dogfights“ are out. Maybe not in the number as in the past, but dogfight still exist. Greece as an example. If the „enemy“ is that close as the Greeks are, dogfights are not obsolete and inevitable. Even it will be obsolete in the future. Agility is still important. How will the plane dodge an incoming missile/ammunition without agility.

Isnt the idea that once your spotted its game over?

 

[TheInsider]

Dogfights are a thing of the past not because of the individual capability of aircraft, missiles, and radars but the change in air warfare doctrine.

 

[Huelague]

Isnt the idea that once your spotted its game over?

It is not up to date, but not really over.