Live Conflict Ukraine-Russia War

[Relic]

I doubt those manpad and low level SAMs would have an impact in USAF operation if the US were in this senario. Stingers and Igla, though modernized, should not be having an impact on Su-34 and Mig 31 operations since even Soviet Air force did its tasks in stinger infested and very hilly Afghanistan with Mig 23s, Su-22, Su-25 and Su-24 non stop. The Russians since 2000s Chechen also have been developing counter measures againsts SHORADs and MANPADs for their lower flying assests. Seriously there are issues with the modern RuAF on a more deeper levels. They lost something on a professional after 91, prehaps it has to do with corruption. No way if this was the US air force would this happen, there would be major SEAD operations with ARM and Jammers like E/A-F18E and the venerable Prowlers flying everywhere

The U.S. Air Force, Navy and Army aviation operate on a completely different level than the Russian "equivalent". It's not even a contest. The integration in operability between American air assets is a carefully orchestrated chess maneuvre. See for example, their initial plan for the invasion of Iraq and the way Air Force, Navy and Army aviation worked in concert... And that was 20 years ago. The Russians seem to have significant issues with SEAD operations and using their air assets in a sufficiently orchestrated manner.

 

[Madokafc]

Too big, slow and expensive, IMO. The Reaper is a BIG target and much easier for the Russians to locate and shoot down. At nearly $17 million USD each (not counting payload), I think the Ukrainians could get better "bang for their buck" elsewhere. One Reaper is the same price as 9-10 Bayraktars, for example, and while the Reaper is, obviously, more capable, the Bayraktar's ability to move around, largely undetected, is a huge advantage.

There is no doubt that the Reaper is a fantastic weapons platform, but unless the U.S. wants to give Ukraine $300 million to buy 10 of them and all the Hellfire missiles they will need for combat operations, I don't see the point. That doesn't even count the control units for them.

It just another Excuse for the US to be involved more deeply in the war, they would be owned by the Ukraine armed Forces but manned and crewed by the "volunteer Forces" which already available on the ground as we spoke today. The same Excuse for the other much more complex system being donated by the western allies, as there is trend to get to that points. Well i don't get surprised if the US would later donated Fighter such as F-16 or F15 for the Ukraine and manned by some "volunteer pilots" and maintained by volunteer crew

 

[Diictodon]

SU-34s lack the PGMs thats why they go low and try to bomb their targets

Yeah I know but even the Soviets did high altittude strikes on Mujahidden positions in the 80s. The RuAF is just incompetent and currupt. You would think that if they were preparing for an operation in Ukraine, that they would have atleast have some ample stocks of KAB-500, instead they wasted it on the less important Syria campaigns. At this point I think Russia not only ceased being a "Superpower" in geopolitics, but ceased being a "Great Power" or even a regional power. Before the Ukraine debacle, everyone was talking about the decline of the US and how it will be a multipolar world with Russia, China and US at its helm. Nah no, this war showed that Russia ain't shit. I think now that Turkey can defeat Russia one to one

 

[Madokafc]

Yeah I know but even the Soviets did high altittude strikes on Mujahidden positions in the 80s. The RuAF is just incompetent and currupt. You would think that if they were preparing for an operation in Ukraine, that they would have atleast have some ample stocks of KAB-500, instead they wasted it on the less important Syria campaigns. At this point I think Russia not only ceased being a "Superpower" in geopolitics, but ceased being a "Great Power" or even a regional power. Before the Ukraine debacle, everyone was talking about the decline of the US and how it will be a multipolar world with Russia, China and US at its helm. Nah no, this war showed that Russia ain't shit. I think now that Turkey can defeat Russia one to one

Russian even not worthy to hold the other middle power (the likes of South Korea, Japan, Australia and such) shoes without their nuclear deterrence....

 

[Diictodon]

The U.S. Air Force, Navy and Army aviation operate on a completely different level than the Russian "equivalent". It's not even a contest. The integration in operability between American air assets is a carefully orchestrated chess maneuvre. See for example, their initial plan for the invasion of Iraq and the way Air Force, Navy and Army aviation worked in concert... And that was 20 years ago. The Russians seem to have significant issues with SEAD operations and using their air assets in a sufficiently orchestrated manner.

The Russians can't do network centric combined arms manuvoures let alone operations. You would think that the Gulf War and 2003 Iraq invasion was a wake up call for the Russian MOD like it was for the Chinese who saw how hopelessly outdated the PLA was in the 90s. But no, they keep doing the same Chechen era tactics that destroyed entire motor rifle divisions. I think the success of the Georgian war and the Crimean takeover and hybrid war in donbass aswell as the 2015 intervension in Syria gassed up some Russian officials and they literally start believing their own proganda along with boomer CNN democrat whining about "teh Russians are coming" during the Trump administration without doing serious reforms. Serdukov was one of the more serious officials who knew about the true state of the Russian forces and tried to do serious updates in equiptment, procuments and tactics on an organisational level but Kermlin nepotism and kleptocracy replaced him with the Yes man Shoigu

 

[Relic]

It just another Excuse for the US to be involved more deeply in the war, they would be owned by the Ukraine armed Forces but manned and crewed by the "volunteer Forces" which already available on the ground as we spoke today. The same Excuse for the other much more complex system being donated by the western allies, as there is trend to get to that points. Well i don't get surprised if the US would later donated Fighter such as F-16 or F15 for the Ukraine and manned by some "volunteer pilots" and maintained by volunteer crew

Make no mistake about it, the West is making an orchestrated effort to bleed Russia dry and they know they've found willing combatants in the Ukrainians. If the combines arms manufacturing of the West mobilizes to maximize profit, there is no way Russia can win this war.

The USA, alone, spent $300 million dollars per day in Iraq. If that kind of support / burden is split between 30+ countries (NATO and allies), Russia's army is going to get put through the meat grinder.

We might get to the point where the Ukrainian military is 250,000 (Regular forces, reservists and territorial defense forces) + another 60,000+ police officers and 20,000 + foreign fighters. As the West gradually equips the surplus individuals to fight, the task of taking and successfully holding territory, gets extremely costly and unlikely for the Russians.

Just yesterday the USA announced 30,000 more sets of body armor and helmets heading to Ukraine. In concert, the federal government cut some of the red tape that has been stopping private U.S. firms from shipping thousands of small arms (rifles and handguns) and tens of millions of rounds of ammunition, to the Ukrainians, who are looking to buy tens of thousands of weapons, directly from industry. Within a month, Ukraine could likely arm another 50,000 territorial defense force members that they are simply lacking kit for right now.

Countries such as Canada, will play a big role in that as well. This week our Feds announced another $500 million in military aid for Ukraine, but because we don't have enough military supplies to send directly, that money will simply be used to buy the toys that the Ukrainians are looking for. You can expect them to purchase AR-15 and equivalent rifles, in tranches of 2500 and 5000, from arms manufacturers in Canada, USA and across Europe. It's that kind of secondary equipment that will make places nearly impossible to take and hold. Ukraine will be able to free up its regular army for offensives, while using well equipped territorial defense forces to hold territory and bog the Russians down.

 

[Hexciter]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514459721385848832

 

[Diictodon]

Russian even not worthy to hold the other middle power (the likes of South Korea, Japan, Australia and such) shoes without their nuclear deterrence....

The Soviet did far better in their decade long involvement in Afghanistan against a more mobile insurgent enemy armed by the CIA with MANPADs then the Russians are doing now against a lesser conventional military with little air assests on their border who also had to face a Russian backed Russian speakers in South and East of their country

 

[Diictodon]

Potemkin Army

 

[Ecderha]

new WAR officially declared!

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514542433664905216

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514596740682371072

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514469459079143432

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514533842614423558

 

[Vergennes]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514626749421826057

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514665681903669257

 

[Ecderha]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1514639291263111170

 

[Nilgiri]

True, a radar used for surface detection are limited by the horizon. Max surface detection range vary from 40- 70 km max. I don't think the Ukrainian surface radar detect the Moskva at all.

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the position of the ship are way above 100+km from Ukraine's shores
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Radars too can't tell if what they're seeing is a bulk carrier or a warship, fortunately for the Ukrainians the Russian warship are operating in a known pattern.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1513426899070029826

add that to (possible) NATO intelligence sharing + Ukraine's own surveillance and the Ukrainians prolly could guess where the last known position of the Russian ship.

The Argentinians once use this trick to try and sink the British carriers operating near the Falklands combat zone,

On 30 May, two Super Étendards, one carrying Argentina's last remaining air-launched Exocet, accompanied by four A-4C Skyhawks each with two 500 lb (230 kg) bombs, took off to attack Invincible. Argentine intelligence had sought to determine the position of the carriers from analysis of aircraft flight routes from the task force to the islands.

But Royal navy ain't the Russian navy, and British Harrier pilots are ordered a strict EMCON and even stricter procedure to land (diving well below radar coverage to visually identifiy the whereabouts of the carriers)

watch here from 11:15 on how RN naval aviators operate and their technique to land without giving away positions.

Hence no RN carrriers sunk.

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[Nilgiri]

+ Loosing a ship equipped with 6 AK-630 CIWS
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against;
To a missile quite similar to their own Kh-35 possibly in seeker as well,
To a missile that has not completed its development phase,
To a missile that hasn't been through a serial production phase,
To a missile that was possibly completed via hard efforts in bunkers and not in the factory's production line, after the broke out thus lacking the decent quality inspection.

A hit, a fine hit! - Treebeard

Explainer of the Russian Navy's Slava Class cruiser. Why they were built and how they have played a role in the Ukraine Invasion. Three are in service but one, Moskva, has been seriously damaged in the Black Sea. Unscripted and unedited.

 

[Deliorman]

https://www.reddit.com/r/ukraina/comments/u3ikat

 

[Nilgiri]

You can all call me Admiral Era_shield from now on

quote from buddy:

When the Slava first appeared, my Dad looked at those 16 missiles, dug out his slide rule, and did some math. He ended up saying that just the fuel in either the port or starboard missile tubes, take your pick, had enough thermal energy to melt the entire ship above the main deck. That does not include the explosives cooking off, other flammables, or the fire spreading to the other side of the ship and lighting off the other eight missiles...