TR Politics

[Corvus]

Babacan ,..... started attacking Baykar

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614544314847174656

In which part he started to attack Baykar exactly?

 

[Kedikesenfare]

I once rooted for Babacan. His stupid remarks about changing the constitution and erasing the term 'Turk' from it made me furious and disappointed at the same time.

No vote for him, that's for sure.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

I once rooted for Babacan. His stupid remarks about changing the constitution and erasing the term 'Turk' from it made me furious and disappointed at the same time.

No vote for him, that's for sure.

The guy is obviously a traitor and probably bought from the US. Why are people like him not in prison?

 

[Rodeo]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614544314847174656

In which part he started to attack Baykar exactly?

It's not attacking per se but he is clearly misinformed. He thinks BAYKAR is funneling big figures through government incentives and government contracts. Reality is the opposite ofc. Baykar is growing solely through the money they earn by exports.

 

[Kedikesenfare]

The guy is obviously a traitor and probably bought from the US. Why are people like him not in prison?

Democracy.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614641945237942275

 

[dBSPL]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614544314847174656

In which part he started to attack Baykar exactly?

Ali Babacan said exactly the following on his radio program: Almost all the state's resources are being transferred to a single company; they should not be afraid of competition. In our government, on the contrary, within the framework of equality of opportunity, companies that do good work will be paved the way, but there will also be some competition. Probably these friends may be afraid of competition. We were making good money at work, but if this government changes, there will be competition, they may be afraid that they will pave the way for other companies.

He is means to Baykar here. If you think he doesn't, this will probably be the last message I will write to you. He will make all kinds of slander, and create a fiction based on words that have never been said, then he say that 'we will touch them', we will intervene, but when you say that we support the defense industry at the end of the sentence, it will be called tweezing words? Either you didn't listen to the explanations or you are really making fun of me.

 

[dBSPL]

It's not attacking per se but he is clearly misinformed. He thinks BAYKAR is funneling big figures through government incentives and government contracts. Reality is the opposite ofc. Baykar is growing solely through the money they earn by exports.

How can a former 8-year member of the NSC be misinformed on this issue? More specifically, who are these informers? Who prepares Babacan's speech and who briefs him?

He says that all resources are being transferred to a single company, but his advisors are even incapable of reading the document in his hand. He says we will touch them when we take office, so he is clearly manipulating. Because he believes that this attitude may have a vote value among some opposition groups. Those who accuse Baykar of being politicized are the ones who want to politicize the company and turn it into an opposition policy. Think a someone who praises his time as economy minister in every word, has never once visited a company that produces so much added value. I apologize, but this time we will not let anyone drown Turkish tech initiatives.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

More of Mr Haluk Bayraktar's interview today

https://twitter.com/HaberturkTV

 

[Lool]

Babacan, who visited Fincancı, a Pkk supporter who shamelessly slandered the Turkish Armed Forces, must not have been able to pick up the pace, because this time he started attacking Baykar, which plays an important role in operations against Pkk terrorists. What was frequently voiced by the fetö media last year is now being voiced by the Deva Party officials in unison.

At a time when the company is in the midst of a major breakthrough, the mindsets that would try to destroy a company with a history of fighting bureaucracy and tutelage should never find a place in the opposition. Now that this party's populism to gain votes for the possibility of the closure of the HDP has become more and more obvious, someone from the opposition bloc should give the necessary answer to them.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614316512809984003

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614320636767215622

Idk what to say other than, I told you so long ago

I said it before that most of the opposition will try and cripple the Turkish defence industry post 2023 if they won and all what I got was ridicule, jokes about how I dont know anything as Iam not turkish and how the Turkish defence industry became a monolith that cant be crippled no matter who is on the helm

And here we are, a year after my posts and Iam more convinced than ever that Iam right. Before we divide ourselves according to nationalities and ethnicities, I would like to remind everyone that HISTORY connects us all and if history is anything to go by, then obviously the first thing the West would do is to cripple the Turkish defence industry

Ppl need to bloody understand that The Western dominance over the world didnt occur in a year or two but through decades of developing new technologies amd solidifying their hard power; thus, Turkey doing the same at a staggering speed is nothing less than a sign of the rise of a new superpower, albeit in its toddler stage! This is something the neither the filthy West nor the Russians nor the Chinese will allow. What those filths want is for them to play thr world as if it some sort of game where any screw up they make should be beared by the weaker states

HDP said long ago that TB2 are weapons of mass destruction and they swpre to stop Baykar if they win post 2023 many times; now Babacan is saying this and Iam sure that the top echelon in the CHP thinks the same since this is what the West wants

That is why the US wanted to overthroe Erdogan in 2016; they knew what would happen if Erdogan and SSB's projects came to fruition and here we are. Ppl need to understand that for such sensitive sectors to prosper, the building bloc is the unwavered political will of the tob brass other wise it will be all for naught

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Idk what to say other than, I told you so long ago

I said it before that most of the opposition will try and cripple the Turkish defence industry post 2023 if they won and all what I got was ridicule, jokes about how I dont know anything as Iam not turkish and how the Turkish defence industry became a monolith that cant be crippled no matter who is on the helm

And here we are, a year after my posts and Iam more convinced than ever that Iam right. Before we divide ourselves according to nationalities and ethnicities, I would like to remind everyone that HISTORY connects us all and if history is anything to go by, then obviously the first thing the West would do is to cripple the Turkish defence industry

Ppl need to bloody understand that The Western dominance over the world didnt occur in a year or two but through decades of developing new technologies amd solidifying their hard power; thus, Turkey doing the same at a staggering speed is nothing less than a sign of the rise of a new superpower, albeit in its toddler stage! This is something the neither the filthy West nor the Russians nor the Chinese will allow. What those filths want is for them to play thr world as if it some sort of game where any screw up they make should be beared by the weaker states

HDP said long ago that TB2 are weapons of mass destruction and they swpre to stop Baykar if they win post 2023 many times; now Babacan is saying this and Iam sure that the top echelon in the CHP thinks the same since this is what the West wants

That is why the US wanted to overthroe Erdogan in 2016; they knew what would happen if Erdogan and SSB's projects came to fruition and here we are. Ppl need to understand that for such sensitive sectors to prosper, the building bloc is the unwavered political will of the tob brass other wise it will be all for naught

And like I always say, traitors need to be punished. One can't act like a pussy in a Country like Turkey, it doesn't work. Do it as Iran does, there is no other way.

 

[what]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614528936758714369

Why is he shooting at TAI for being a government funded company? After all all / most sub systems he's using are the products and results of public R&D spending at Aselsan, TEI, Havelsan, Roketsan & Co.

 

[what]

@Rodeo
It would be nice if you ask for a translation before you go trigger happy deleting posts.
I didn't know that we had to translate posts in "internal politics" thread which is like "Cay Bahcesi" specified for Turks.

Next time prompt please.

The first language of this forum is English. Cay Bahcesi is an exception.

 

[Baryshx]

Why is he shooting at TAI for being a government funded company? After all all / most sub systems he's using are the products and results of public R&D spending at Aselsan, TEI, Havelsan, Roketsan & Co.

Of course, the trolls immediately sprang into action. With a ridiculous comparison...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614663882726903814

Ali Babacan cannot be taken seriously, he is just another troll. His party is not a serious party either, he and Davutoğlu have no capacity to get anywhere.

 

[guest12]

Of course, the trolls immediately sprang into action. With a ridiculous comparison...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1614663882726903814

Ali Babacan cannot be taken seriously, he is just another troll. His party is not a serious party either, he and Davutoğlu have no capacity to get anywhere.

He is one of inviduals carries heaviest atlantic connections you better take his words seriously.

 

[GoatsMilk]

remember ak party can put you away over saying "fool". Which tells me this conflict between babacan and ak party is all theatre, its not real. Its just a smokescreen a distraction. Your going to go after erdogan son in law and he's going to just sit back, when we know how easy it has been for him to put opposition away?

Basically another way to make AK party look good and under attack from ex-feto boys and thus they are true nationalists, while in the background they want to destroy the constitution.

Under AK party the most manipulated and controlled element has been the peoples perceptions. Just like when elections come up and we see CHP leaders having meeting and taking photos with pro pkk people, its all theatre. Maybe democracy is completely dead in Turkiye and all the major parties sit behind and the scenes and decide what to do next "together".

I like the Baykar company, i don't like it being used for political clout and promotion of specific political parties. That's another psychological manipulation of the Turkish public.

And rationally if your trying to win elections you don't go after baykar, not the company that is seen as primary mover of Turkiye winning military battles in multiple theaters, you just dont do it. And the fact he is doing it tells me its all theatre. You could after a million legitimate things, the failed syria policy, the terrible economy, the world largest refugees, a thousand legitimate things. But you want to go after an issue that will only make you a loser, going after the drone making company?

You also don't appeal to the PKK, CHP you wont win elections that way against an opposition whose turned nearly everything to shit in which they touched.

So either from top to bottom the Turkish political class are intellectually crippled or its just theatre. And if we learned anything about the FETO/AK party alliance its very possible for these guys to work together behind the scenes and conspire against the state.

 

[Lool]

Ali Babacan cannot be taken seriously, he is just another troll. His party is not a serious party either, he and Davutoğlu have no capacity to get anywhere.

The problem isnt in Ali babacan himself but more on the trend!
Turkish weapons industry have been soaring quite fast to the point of passing major arms suppliers like Russia and China in terms of quality in recent years; this without a doubt, will raise alarm bells in the US and western nations in general as their hegemony is being threatened in the long term

Long ago, only HDP criticised Turkish weapons but now Babacan as well? Lets not forget that both of them are part of the alliance; couple that with the fact on how the top brass of the largest opposition party (CHP) is licking the HDP's boots to the point that they want to leave Syria back to the PKK and this should just give you an idea of how things will turn out in the future

Iam 100% sure that each and every political party within the TABLE OF THE 6 is receiving top Western aid in order to destroy TSK defence industry either directly or indirectly just like how Babacan stated

Long ago, when the West wanted to win against the Ottoman empire, one of their main tactics was to ensure that the Ottoman empire never had any source of indiginous weaponry whatsoever; therefore, whenever an Ottoman officer proposed to set up indiginous weapons lines, they usually end up dead or blown up along with their factory.

What is happening rn is just a sad recap of what may happen in the future

 

[Corvus]

Ali Babacan said exactly the following on his radio program: Almost all the state's resources are being transferred to a single company; they should not be afraid of competition. In our government, on the contrary, within the framework of equality of opportunity, companies that do good work will be paved the way, but there will also be some competition. Probably these friends may be afraid of competition. We were making good money at work, but if this government changes, there will be competition, they may be afraid that they will pave the way for other companies.

He is means to Baykar here. If you think he doesn't, this will probably be the last message I will write to you. He will make all kinds of slander, and create a fiction based on words that have never been said, then he say that 'we will touch them', we will intervene, but when you say that we support the defense industry at the end of the sentence, it will be called tweezing words? Either you didn't listen to the explanations or you are really making fun of me.

Babacan didn't attack the company itself, on the contrary, he praised them. What he said was how Baykar is getting more support because of their family relations and how this has negative impact on competition. This issue was a topic being discussed in military forums for long time. Nothing new.

Personally I don't know the financial side of this support and I don't know who is right or wrong, but I guess we all agree that Baykar gets more attention for political purposes and the family itself started involve more into politics. Personally I find this quite negative.

As we can see, AK Party and Erdoğan has a huge propaganda power both in conventional and social media, they're quoting 10 seconds from a whole speech and create false images in the eyes of the voters before the incoming elections as if they're the only "yerli ve milli" ones and the rest are traitors, terrorists, fetöcüs etc. By doing that, they create problems between the opposition and we're talking about what Babacan has said as if there's no other problem left in the country. Unfortunately so many people buy it.

Babacan made a political mistake because it was obvious that the government would distort what he said and use it for black propaganda. I just hope he learnt from this mistake and won't repeat it.

To show how proud and supportive personally I'm about Baykar, a photo of mine from Ukraine, in front of a destroyed Russian tank.

I appreciate what Baykar has managed to do and I also congratulated both Mr. Haluk and Mr. Selçuk when I met them. That's why I wholeheartedly wish them to stay out of politics and be a common value for our nation.

 

[Ravenman]

If AKP loses the elections, all progress in our defence industry will come to a end and all these agreements will be void.

Babacan just threatened Baykar with closing plants and canceling projects.

Ali Babacan = "Hükümet tarafından bunlar kutsal hale getirildi. Dokunanı yakarız deniyor. Kusura bakmasınlar ama biz dokunacağız"

Translation: "The State gave them (Baykar Corp.) a holy status. Nobody can touch them. But dont worry, we will touch them."

 

[Lool]

If AKP loses the elections, all progress in our defence industry will come to a end and all these agreements will be void.

Babacan just threatened Baykar with closing plants and canceling projects.

Ali Babacan = "Hükümet tarafından bunlar kutsal hale getirildi. Dokunanı yakarız deniyor. Kusura bakmasınlar ama biz dokunacağız"

Translation: "The State gave them (Baykar Corp.) a holy status. Nobody can touch them. But dont worry, we will touch them."

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Till now, I cant believe that there are people who are questioning Baykar's capabilities at this point in time

Hasnt Baykar done enough by destroying the second strongest army in the world using cheap ass drones? Or havent they done enough by building top quality products for cheap money? Havent they done enough by building a fighter jet drone (Kizilelma)?

This is why I hate the opposition; mark my words, not only the Deva party but also both the CHP and HDP have the same beliefs..... and who knows what the iYi thinks of! They are ready to sell their country for pleasing the US!

Do you know whats even funnier? Is that when they destroy Baykar to please the US, Baykar himself will have no choice other than to transfer his company to the US in order to earn money and do what he loves. At that point in time, the whole Western world, particularly the US itself, will start making songs praising Baykar's achievement and how amazing of a man he is