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[Manomed The Second]

But do you know its specifications? You wanted counterarguments from Nutuk, so it is only fair that I want proper reasons from you.

How could anyone give you a counterargument if you base your argument on a photo and your feelings for Baykar, which you seem to have an unreasonable hatred for.

There is criticizing and starting a discussion as in saying "I wonder if these landing gears are strong enough" and then there is simply attacking Baykar (or any other company) by just saying they are making mistakes or have no clue what they are doing, don't have enough sense or technology to calculate or find the required knowledge.

Short summary for naval landings It should have diffrent gears but for land duty those gears are sufficent.

I like baykar but they are not a god like entity I can criticize them.

 

[boredaf]

Short summary for naval landings It should have diffrent gears but for land duty those gears are sufficent.

I like baykar but they are not a god like entity I can criticize them.

You do realize that this is the first prototype and might not even actually be used on Anadolu?

 

[Baryshx]

Looks like they don't yeah It needs to have stronger landing gear.

Also baykar doesn't have a history of making "naval" stuff for naval landings you need to have good landing gears.

I think the opposite of you, the landing gear seemed big and strong to me for a UAV of this size.

 

[MADDOG]

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Does this look strong? this is probably for land variant naval version should have much stronger ones.
Nutuk you could just say this is for testing and land version but you went to say stuff like that really shows your age lol

Also a quick observation whenever we criticize something in this forum people tend to say stuff like "ARE YOU AN ENGINEER?" "GO MAKE A BETTER ONE IF YOU CAN"

this is a free speech platform we can criticize stuff.

Heavier the airframe is, the sturdier the landing gear will be. I don't know what you were expecting to be honest. TB3 will be slightly heavier than the TB2 (which itself is light as heck). You don't need the landing gear configuration of an F/A-18 on this thing.

 

[Era_shield]

Short summary for naval landings It should have diffrent gears but for land duty those gears are sufficent.

I like baykar but they are not a god like entity I can criticize them.

You can of course criticise them, just as people can criticise your criticism for being misguided and ignorant.

 

[Manomed The Second]

Heavier the airframe is, the sturdier the landing gear will be. I don't know what you were expecting to be honest. TB3 will be slightly heavier than the TB2 (which itself is light as heck). You don't need the landing gear configuration of an F/A-18 on this thing.

Doesn't short landings cause much more stress to the landing gear?

 

[MADDOG]

Doesn't short landings cause much more stress to the landing gear?

Of course they do. That's the reason why the R&D team changed the landing gear configuration to begin with. It would've been more economical to use the landing gears from the TB2 instead, but that's not what Baykar did.

 

[Rodeo]

What's the stall speed of the TB2, anyone?

In the event the Russian jet tried to jet wash TB2, the drone didn't stall even at 32 knots.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1637811671598071809

 

[Enderun]

I got the news that the CAKIR Anti-Ship Missile was tested in the trial in Sinop, let's see if it's right.

 

[Anmdt]

Heavier the airframe is, the sturdier the landing gear will be. I don't know what you were expecting to be honest. TB3 will be slightly heavier than the TB2 (which itself is light as heck). You don't need the landing gear configuration of an F/A-18 on this thing.

They still need to conduct some studies to assure those gears will withstand the worst conditions on a ship. I think for prototype tests they assume typical landing conditions on a land strip.
There is yet to come shore based ski-jump tests and arrest system tests on the land before trying it on Anadolu, in a calm sea and then desired sea state. Yes Navy has a habit of demanding demonstration on adverse weather conditions.

 

[Nutuk]

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Does this look strong? this is probably for land variant naval version should have much stronger ones.
Nutuk you could just say this is for testing and land version but you went to say stuff like that really shows your age lol

Also a quick observation whenever we criticize something in this forum people tend to say stuff like "ARE YOU AN ENGINEER?" "GO MAKE A BETTER ONE IF YOU CAN"

this is a free speech platform we can criticize stuff.

Sure you do have full right to criticize anything.
But I noticed you are not making critics but claims (out of the blue without any source or professional credibility). There are too many guys like you putting up claims without any credible backup

 

[Nutuk]

Why are my posts dissapearing, I noticed 2 of my posts having dissapeared

 

[Anmdt]

They still need to conduct some studies to assure those gears will withstand the worst conditions on a ship. I think for prototype tests they assume typical landing conditions on a land strip.
There is yet to come shore based ski-jump tests and arrest system tests on the land before trying it on Anadolu, in a calm sea and then desired sea state. Yes Navy has a habit of demanding demonstration on adverse weather conditions.

Simple dynamics of rigid bodies question for fresh engineering graduates;
a TB3 enters ski-jump %10 below the take-off speed and continues to accelerate with %5 of the take off speed (per second), given the curve of skip-jump (refer to any TCG Anadolu images, side-views and fit a 3rd degree polynomial) obtain the maximum force exerts on the front wheel in terms of the G (gravity). Assume mass as given by Baykar, CoG is positioned in midst of the fuselage and mass moment of inertia, angular motion is negligible. Ignore platform motion and unsteady weather conditions, assume a steady motion as given. For simplicity consider take-off speed as service speed.

 

[Manomed The Second]

İnşallah Baykar will be able to sign manomed he will bring the company to a higher level

Sorry that I insulted your god by saying those flimsy landing gear won't work on a carrier

 

[Baryshx]

İnşallah Baykar will be able to sign manomed he will bring the company to a higher level

Let's not be ridiculous, please. There's nothing in what he said, I said he's big and strong before I had the information. We'll see in time whether he'll change or not.

 

[Yasar_TR]

Dear members please stop attacking other members just because their views do not conform to yours. If you do not agree with a post put your views politely and without mocking your fellow member. Or just ignore instead of being confrontational.
Any more of this kind of behaviour will attract warnings and may lead to bans.

 

[Enderun]

 

[TheInsider]

I think TB-3 would be able to carry out stand off strike as well as limited Anti ship role with KUZGUN family.
@TheInsider

Yes. And there is nothing wrong with the landing gears. It doesn't look like that but TB3 is actually very light with a 1450 (1500) kg MTOW for comparison Anka has an MTOW of over 1700kg. TB3 will be able to carry a payload of 280kg(Anka carries 350kg comparison). The typical load for TB3 might be 2x Kuzgun+2xKayı-50(50kg) or 2x Kuzgun+4x MAM-L.
TB3 can produce a big lift force at a slow speed that enables it to take off from short distances and when landing, landing gears and body withstands less force but it is still 35knot faster than TB2 due to stronger engines. Geometry is optimized in that regard.

 

[Huelague]

Short summary for naval landings It should have diffrent gears but for land duty those gears are sufficent.

I like baykar but they are not a god like entity I can criticize them.

Do you know the material they used? Or specification of the hydraulic system they use?

 

[Yasar_TR]

When I first saw this picture I thought;
Wow they have done their homework right;
As well as two things that were very noticeable:
1. Aerodynamic body and a possible high lift potential
2. Really robust looking, improved landing gears.

There should be no problem with take off from a ski lift with the TEI engine. However it would be interesting to see how they are going to stop this bird after landing. Especially if the plane has to avoid the large lift at the aft of the ship.

In any case this bird looks like an improved next generation of a tactical TB2 drone. Well done Baykar.