TR Air Defence Programs

[Brave Janissary]

SİPER Air Defence System Contracts Signed

 

[Afif]

 

[TheInsider]

I think we should make a low-cost medium/long-range air defense system based on the Hisar-O+ system.

The same Hisar-O+ truck-based missile launcher.
AIR S-band AESA medium-range surveillance radar replacing Kalkan II (200+km range)
Akrep illumination radar instead of ÇFAKR X-band AESA multi-functional fire control radar of Siper system. (120km range)
AESA data link for Hisar-RF and Siper product 1 missiles
Hisar-O+ IIR, Hisar-RF, and Siper product 1 missiles

Typical missile load 2xHisar-A+/O+ IIR, 2xHisar-RF, 2x Siper product 1 for a single missile launching truck.

 

[Oublious]

Who remember this picture? We can flush it down in the toilet . Another player in the game...

https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/co...e-unique-air-and-missile-defense-systems-2949

 

[Cabatli_TR]

Hisar-O+

 

[Zafer]

Who remember this picture? We can flush it down in the toilet . Another player in the game...


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https://www.defenceturkey.com/en/co...e-unique-air-and-missile-defense-systems-2949

We could still make gains from it if it worked out. It is the same situation with every deal we make with the west, we have local development already but we want to move faster. We still have 4-5 years to match their systems.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

What disturb me is that Turkiye aslo pay for its own defence systems in euro or dollar , can someone explain me why and does it mean all that money in euro are for non Turk componets ? If true thats very sad .
Aslo This new order is only for Siper or both aslo hisar O+ . If i remember Turkiye make a order before just for Hisar O+ .
This ~700 million order of Siper if we can assume 1 Siper battery 150 million $
Than with that money just 4 batteries will be bought which are not enough perhaps only Istanbul you can protect with 4 batteries . Whole Turkiye needs 70+ Batteries .

 

[Sanchez]

can someone explain me why and does it mean all that money in euro are for non Turk componets ?

Simply put, this is the case. This can be many things, from all over the world. It's impossible to ascertain which is which, what makes these figures. But almost four fifth's of Aselsan's workshare is in euros. Siper, nor Hisar, can exist without foreign parts. A system this complex cannot be fully local. It probably wouldn't ever been if we were able to make every chip and bolt in house, because this is a production deal, and foreign subcomponents for products as big as this will always be cheaper.

What matters is that these are controlled, and embargoes don't stop us.

 

[Sanchez]

Semi related. Polish are thinking about a SPAAG based on K9 hull.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735729083768611106

 

[boredaf]

Semi related. Polish are thinking about a SPAAG based on K9 hull.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1735729083768611106

That's basically Gürz on a tank chassis

 

[Agha Sher]

Hisar-O+

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Why does each launcher only have 3 missiles? Very easy to saturate one of these units.

 

[Afif]

Why does each launcher only have 3 missiles? Very easy to saturate one of these units.

Saturate how? Even if it has the full load of 18 interceptors you can still saturate it. That is why it is imperative to layer a HISAR O+ battery with Orelikon air defence guns or KORKUT SPAAG.

Besides, even on their own there are complexities and variations in tactics, technique and procedures of these medium range Air defence systems And how they are employed. So, it is not that white and black either.

 

[Kartal1]

Why does each launcher only have 3 missiles? Very easy to saturate one of these units.

The launcher is modular. Configuration may vary as our brother @Afif stated.

 

[Anmdt]

Simply put, this is the case. This can be many things, from all over the world. It's impossible to ascertain which is which, what makes these figures. But almost four fifth's of Aselsan's workshare is in euros. Siper, nor Hisar, can exist without foreign parts. A system this complex cannot be fully local. It probably wouldn't ever been if we were able to make every chip and bolt in house, because this is a production deal, and foreign subcomponents for products as big as this will always be cheaper.

What matters is that these are controlled, and embargoes don't stop us.

Also bear in mind that although not imported as a product, most processes involve foreign machinery and equipment, which is tied to currency. This is more of an indirect source of foreign currency expenditure.

 

[Anmdt]

A few things that were hinted at in the recent ceremony, but not said;

• The Siper battery's FFS count can be increased to 8, allowing a battery to contain 48 missiles ready to fire.
• CFAKR can engage 10 different targets, multiple missiles can be directed at a single target.
• CFAKR can be linked to 4 FFS, giving 24 missiles ready to fire per FCR.
• A battery formation with 1 search (T-EIRS), 2 fire control radar (CFAKR) is possible.
• CFAKR can guide missiles beyond 150 km if necessary.
• CFAKR has a search radar function in case of need.

 

[Afif]

That is a little disappointing for me.
I was hoping one CFAKR can be linked to all 8 FFS and will be able to engage 16/24 targets simultaneously.

Hope they can Upgrade the SIPER complex later up to such standards.

 

[uçuyorum]

Few things that are implied recently in the ceremony;

• Siper battery's FFS amount can be increased to 8, thus one battery can be made to contain 48 ready to fire missiles.
• One CFAKR is capable of engaging 10 different targets, multiple missiles can be directed on a single target.
• One CFAKR can be linked to 4 FFS, thus 24 ready to fire missiles.
• There is a possible battery formation with 1 Search, 2 Fire Control (CFAK) Radar.
• CFAKR can guide missiles beyond 150 km when necessary.

It always seemed like one fire control radar per siper battery was unbalanced, 2 fc 1 search should have been the standard honestly

 

[UkroTurk]

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And a sideway look for SİPER B2 View attachment 57035

Up up up

 

[TheInsider]

ÇFAKR can guide 10 missiles (can create 10 guidance beams) simultaneously to different targets at 150km. ÇFAKR can guide missiles up to "x" km on a single target or if targets are nearby in a tight formation with a single high-power beam. Of course, it can create 2,3 beams, etc that can still guide missiles over 150km. 150km is given for a maximum of 10 beams.

 

[UkroTurk]

guidance beams

Why guidance beams? The missiles dont have passive seekers.