TR Air Defence Programs

[Siper>MMU]

Why guidance beams? The missiles dont have passive seekers.

Missiles uplink has separate phased array antennas mounted on a mast but I guess he is talking about the monopulse tracking beams from the radar itself.

A radars range can depend on the current situation and I don't think the 150km range given is for 10 different beams. With electronic beamforming you can make a single very powerfull beam with more lower power beams. It mostly depends on the current target situation.

 

[Sanchez]

HvKK to probably use Hisar A+/O together in a single battery?

https://x.com/Fatih_MehmetK/status/1736052454024732828

And going by the graphic, which is based on the graphic from the signature ceremony, TAF to induct 9 Hisar and 2 Siper batteries into the service in the next 6 years?

https://x.com/Defence_Turk/status/1736051224841973794

 

[Afif]

HvKK to probably use Hisar A+/O together in a single battery?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736052454024732828

And going by the graphic, which is based on the graphic from the signature ceremony, TAF to induct 9 Hisar and 2 Siper batteries into the service in the next 6 years?

Which graphics? Can you share them?

 

[Bogeyman]

Which graphics? Can you share them?

Actually, he shared the link, but the forum no longer sees the link from Twitter.

 

[Sanchez]

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Actually, he shared the link, but the forum no longer sees the link from Twitter.

Yup, seems there's an issue with plugins.

I meant this graphic Defence Turk shared. It's not official, but if they took Siper's 1+1 delivery timeline as standard, it would mean 11 systems.

 

[BaburKhan]

This mean TurAF will not recieve first Siper Units next Year ?

 

[Sanchez]

This mean TurAF will not recieve first Siper Units next Year ?

As far as i understand, nope. 2026 for delivery, 2027 for option. Presumably 1+1. Which is where i came to the 11 number for total deliveries for Hisar+Siper, which is of course not official, just a guess.
Watching the ceremony,
For KKK, original Hisar deliveries are to be completed on 2025. With the contract change that was signed where HvKK also joined in on Hisar, beginning from 2025, a Hisar will be delivered every 6 months until 2028.
For Siper, plan is to deliver the first battery to HvKK on first month of 2026.

 

[Aqerdf]

First Siper-I Battery will be accepted in mid. 2024 according to Ceremony. They have it already but it's in test qualification process by the Air Force if i get it right. Because it shows 2023-2024 for first Siper-I Battery.

 

[Afif]

So, in total Turkish Army will have 7 HISAR O+ batteries.

*1x Prototype battery. (That was delivered in 2022)
*4x batteries that were ordered initially in 2021. (Assuming the report was correct)
*2x more batteries under the new contract.

Turkish Air Force will receive 3x HISAR A/O (likely in the configuration that
@Sanchez mentioned) and 3x SIPER batteries.

*1 SIPER prototype battery (to be delivered in 2024)
*2x SIPER batteries under the new mass production contract.

Apart from that, Turkish Army will also receive 4x HISAR A+ batteries in two configurations under the new contract.

 

[Sanchez]

First Siper-1 Battery will be accepted in mid. 2024 according to Ceremony. They have it already but it's in test qualification process by the Air Force if i get it right. Because it shows 2023-2024 for first Siper-1 Battery.

I will upload it later.

We can't ascertain if that battery will be delivered to HvKK or even if it did if it will be used as a battery though. I can be wrong tho, that's happened plenty of times in the past. All the better if we are talking about 3 batteries total.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

HvKK to probably use Hisar A+/O together in a single battery?

https://x.com/Fatih_MehmetK/status/1736052454024732828

And going by the graphic, which is based on the graphic from the signature ceremony, TAF to induct 9 Hisar and 2 Siper batteries into the service in the next 6 years?

https://x.com/Defence_Turk/status/1736051224841973794

i dont think images of SAMs in your photo represent 1 battery .
And both airforce and land have ordered them so the numbers are messed up .
As i remember Turkiye made a order of Hisar A/O before ? !

 

[Oublious]

3 batteries for country like us is not much, i assume that SIPER block 2 will be only delivered after block 1 is completed. We will at least need 2 batteries in the agean sea if war breaks out. HISAR for ther airforece is not much, what are they thinking?

 

[BaburKhan]

Siper will be very important, because it will provide long Range AD Capabillity and Supplement the S-400. LR Air Defence is important to create AA/AD Zones.

 

[TheInsider]

Why guidance beams? The missiles dont have passive seekers.

I meant illumination.

 

[Ştutgart]

FORTRESS AND SHELF MISSILES ARE READY FOR MASS PRODUCTION

 

[Osman]

What disturb me is that Turkiye aslo pay for its own defence systems in euro or dollar , can someone explain me why and does it mean all that money in euro are for non Turk componets ? If true thats very sad .
Aslo This new order is only for Siper or both aslo hisar O+ . If i remember Turkiye make a order before just for Hisar O+ .
This ~700 million order of Siper if we can assume 1 Siper battery 150 million $
Than with that money just 4 batteries will be bought which are not enough perhaps only Istanbul you can protect with 4 batteries . Whole Turkiye needs 70+ Batteries .

Not just because of foreign components, but Turkish Lira will be devaluated %65 within 3 years according to government's medium term economic plan which is not %100 reliable as you guess. This is the most important factor

 

[BaburKhan]

3 batteries for country like us is not much, i assume that SIPER block 2 will be only delivered after block 1 is completed. We will at least need 2 batteries in the agean sea if war breaks out. HISAR for ther airforece is not much, what are they thinking?

Hisar is good for their short and medium Air Defence Duties, to protect critical Infrastructure or Troop Concentration. Hisar do not provide an AA/AD Capabillity.

There is also the Threat that France will Intervene in an likely Scenario in the Aegean on the Greek Side and could launche a massive Cruise Missile Strike from Fighters, Frigates and Submarines.

With long Range AD Capabillity, the Fighters must not urgently kept for defensive Missions and can be used for more Offensive Missions.

 

[fushkee]

You made a war between us and France. I don’t think that in any conflict between TR and GR, FR will involve directly. They will back GR and that’s all. Or we for sure have surprises for FR as well

 

[BaburKhan]

You made a war between us and France. I don’t think that in any conflict between TR and GR, FR will involve directly. They will back GR and that’s all. Or we for sure have surprises for FR as well

See here: https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2021/10/7/greece-ratifies-intra-nato-defence-pact-with-france

 

[fushkee]

I don’t care pacts. They are all politics. The reality is war conditions. I don’t think that FR may declare a war at TR directly.