TR Defence Exports & Updates

[Ripley]

I am not sure that I agree.
Regarding the disapproval of sale of Zoka to Taiwan, I don’t think we were trying to establish the fact that Zoka was superior to Taiwanese domestic system. It was more in the lines of whether it was a political or critical technology decision or giving away some economic benefit to Taiwan.

In the end I believe we, at least, achieved a logical assumption in which such a sale would not be a huge economic benefit to Turkey but rather would allow Taiwan to copy our system to shorten time and dispense with economic and resource burdens. Well, at least that’s what I took from it.

Other than that, you’re right. We don’t know anything about the system.

Also, yes you are right, I believe it would be unfair comparing any country‘s (let alone Turkey) military technology research and development to US experience and know how after hundreds of trillions of simoleons they invested in over eight decades 🫤

 

[Afif]

I am not sure that I agree.
Regarding the disapproval of sale of Zoka to Taiwan, I don’t think we were trying to establish the fact that Zoka was superior to Taiwanese domestic system. It was more in the lines of whether it was a political or critical technology decision or giving away some economic benefit to Taiwan.

In the end I believe we, at least, achieved a logical assumption in which such a sale would not be a huge economic benefit to Turkey but rather would allow Taiwan to copy our system to shorten time and dispense with economic and resource burdens. Well, at least that’s what I took from it.

No, no. I i didn't mean that. You are totally right. As @Anmdt has pointed out Taiwan is probbaly trying to trick Türkiye.

My comment was only about the technical comparison.

 

[Ripley]

My comment was only about the technical comparison.

Oh, no problem bro. I got that one right away and I agree with you. We don’t know anything about their system. We were merely speculating, I guess.

 

[TheInsider]

I actually agree with this reasoning. It is unlikely Taiwanese Torpedo counter measure will perform as good as Aselsan's system for the reasons you mentioned.

However, if we apply the same logic to Turkish systems w.r.t the American ones, citing similar aspects like decades of experience and head start in research, development and extensive field testing, several times bigger budget, some folks will get upset.

So, it is better not to go down that path. Instead, for now we just don't know the specs of Taiwanese system. Unless there are more info, it would be hard to compare.

For the existing systems, you are right. Siper won't be as good as American Patriot in time it will catch Patriot but for the emerging systems like UAVs, the competition is real.

 

[Sanchez]

ASCOD, K-21 and Tulpar are participating in Latvia's IFV tender. Should have bought some Otokar stocks damn.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736348717631107347

 

[Ripley]

ASCOD, K-21 and Tulpar are participating in Latvia's IFV tender. Should have bought some Otokar stocks damn.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1736348717631107347

Both ASCOD and K-21 have large family of variants and widely used by various customers. They’re proven IFVs. Tulpar, on the other hand …

 

[Sanchez]

Both ASCOD and K-21 have large family of variants and widely used by various customers. They’re proven IFVs. Tulpar, on the other hand …

I agree. They'll probably cut prices. And Otokar can be much more accommodating to light weight needs, like in the case of Estonia, Arma for Estonia is almost barebones. Unless Korea offers second hand K-21s, Tulpar has a chance i think. Let's see. Tulpar really needs a win at this point.

 

[Ripley]

I agree. They'll probably cut prices. And Otokar can be much more accommodating to light weight needs, like in the case of Estonia, Arma for Estonia is almost barebones. Unless Korea offers second hand K-21s, Tulpar has a chance i think. Let's see. Tulpar really needs a win at this point.

And I agree. They really need one single customer! Cross your fingers.

 

[Bogeyman]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1737364042635984938

 

[Gary]

4 more ASELSAN SMASH installed on board BAKAMLA 48m class ships after the previous 3x 80m class and 1x 115m class, seems like all ships will be installed with such system

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1739596888364695881

That mean I expect another 2 systems coming.

 

[Hepdert]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1740272712097177895

 

[Sanchez]

An international sales contract valued at 65,874,510 USD has been signed between ASELSAN and one of its international clients for the supply of defense systems.

Suprisingly literally no other details for a not so small contract. Just says "defence systems", which might be hundreds of different stuff.

KAP

Kamuyu Aydınlatma Platformu

www.kap.org.tr

 

[Rodeo]

Defence Industry Export Figures;

December, 2023 : $719M
2023 : $5.5B

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1742201880141299893

 

[Afif]

That is a good number. Does anybody know how much of it defence products and how much of it is Aerospace products?

 

[Aqerdf]

We could drown the market with guided rocket artillery, TBM, Akıncı & Aksungur, air to ground standoff & precision kits, ALCM, artillery munitions, observation satellite, origin-country friendly EW equipments, anti drone equipments, 50 cal. machine guns, infantry rifles, military textile, etc.

In this era of wars, i don't think 5.5 bil. is a good number.

 

[boredaf]

We could drown the market with guided rocket artillery, TBM, Akıncı & Aksungur, air to ground standoff & precision kits, ALCM, artillery munitions, observation satellite, origin-country friendly EW equipments, anti drone equipments, 50 cal. machine guns, infantry rifles, military textile, etc.

In this era of wars, i don't think 5.5 bil. is a good number.

Mate, this is the real world, not a computer game. You can only sell when people ask to buy, and on top of that, we don't have endless production lines that can produce whatever you want 24/7. And you don't think 5.5 billion isn't good? Take a look at what the number used to be.

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[Aqerdf]

Regarding guided rocket artillery, Israel and South Korea conducted very good sales for Europe & Middle East market in "just 2023"

Go figure.

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[Kartal1]

Guys, I call you to stay within the boundaries of mutual respect! Let us enjoy an informational discussion istead of low quality replies. Thank you!

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[Rodeo]

The contribution of companies to 2023 export numbers(Defense Industry, in million dollars)

 

[Agha Sher]

The contribution of companies to 2023 export numbers(Defense Industry, in million dollars)

These other companies must do more - they need to aggressively market their products. Baykar is carrying the entire sector.