Indonesia Indonesian Air Force, Tentara Nasional Indonesia-Angkatan Udara (TNI-AU)

[Soman45]

The most diverse air force in the world based on fighters country of origin (projection)

1. Indonesia 5 (US, Russia, France, Europe, South Korea)
2. India 4 (Russia, France, UK, India)
3. Qatar 3 (US, France, Europe)
4. Egypt 3 (US, Russia, France)

(light/trainer excluded, Europe means Typhoon)

We are indeed glorious and hilarious.

well like our country's motto "unity in diversity" MoD trying to implement our country's motto by buying every fighters out there

 

[Umigami]

Insha Allah it's not this

PLEASE DONT BE THIS

You know, most probably they are.

Because of that I actually pretty excited about Rafale. Yeah, it's a logistical Nightmare, but on the other hand it could force air force to operate and learn some high tech stuf!!

 

[Gary]

You know, most probably they are.

Because of that I actually pretty excited about Rafale. Yeah, it's a logistical Nightmare, but on the other hand it could force air force to operate and learn some high tech stuf!!

You don't need Rafale to "force" the AF to operate high tech stuff, am pretty sure the latest F-16V could deliver the sophistication with the user friendliness as our Air Force have been familiar with it.

 

[Chestnut]

You don't need Rafale to "force" the AF to operate high tech stuff, am pretty sure the latest F-16V could deliver the sophistication with the user friendliness as our Air Force have been familiar with it.

The F-16V is arguably using the best radar out there for its class among its contemporaries.

 

[Umigami]

You don't need Rafale to "force" the AF to operate high tech stuff, am pretty sure the latest F-16V could deliver the sophistication with the user friendliness as our Air Force have been familiar with it.

Okay, I'll change it like this.

I pretty excited about MoD taking almost the complete control of procurement. Yeah, the consequences is a logistical problem, but atleast we can force the users to adapt and evolve quickly to High tech stuf. Because if we let the user take control completely, almost everytime we end up with "nanggung" stuf.

(I'm not just talking about air force)

 

[trishna_amrta]

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There is plan for further acquisition of LIFT/light fighter jet Aircraft between 2020 and 2024 Air Force building program

hmmm this make sense. When our fleet will be full of twin engine, the need for having a cheap single engine fighter type for routine air policing role is a real necessity.

 

[Chestnut]

Disagree. Buying even much more expensive European war machines in this pandemic era where people dying and the economy has been shrinking to -5% will not benefit him in any way in politics. Instead, it will become one of his weak track records. People will question his decision making and priority scaling abilities.

Look at it this way, the F-35 is the most capable fighter aircraft in the world today in overall lethality and is only offered by the US, and is thus their most advanced platform capable of being sold.

Although less capable than the F-35, the Rafale F3-R is the most advanced aircraft that France can currently provide. If he somehow manages to buy all 48 Rafales, along with Scorpenes and other vessels from Naval Group, you can argue that it would score him massive political points from the current voter base.

Voters aren't concerned about in-depth logistics, technological capability, or any of that sort. What they're going to see is that Prabowo bought a significant number of the most advanced arms that France can provide. In their eyes, this provides a deterrent against China. And this wins Prabowo their votes. COVID doesn't add to the equation because they know Prabowo's job is to simply buy weapons, if they want someone to blame about how the funds are being used, they're going to blame either SMI or Jokowi.

This is why this whole scheme is dangerous; personal politics and greed are influencing defense at a time where we can't afford it. And this is why (despite my misgivings about the man) I hope Luhut can provide a significant counter influence from the US.

 

[Umigami]

Look at it this way, the F-35 is the most capable fighter aircraft in the world today in overall lethality and is only offered by the US, and is thus their most advanced platform capable of being sold.

Although less capable than the F-35, the Rafale F3-R is the most advanced aircraft that France can currently provide. If he somehow manages to buy all 48 Rafales, along with Scorpenes and other vessels from Naval Group, you can argue that it would score him massive political points from the current voter base.

Voters aren't concerned about in-depth logistics, technological capability, or any of that sort. What they're going to see is that Prabowo bought a significant number of the most advanced arms that France can provide. In their eyes, this provides a deterrent against China. And this wins Prabowo their votes. COVID doesn't add to the equation because they know Prabowo's job is to simply buy weapons, if they want someone to blame about how the funds are being used, they're going to blame either SMI or Jokowi.

This is why this whole scheme is dangerous; personal politics and greed are influencing defense at a time where we can't afford it. And this is why (despite my misgivings about the man) I hope Luhut can provide a significant counter influence from the US.

What Opung can bring from US to counter 08's Rafale?
Are you sure they didn't discussed about this already?


Edited by Mod: Use English only.

 

[Van Kravchenko]

IIRC, Spain once offered their Tranche-2 to Colombia. So it seems it's not only Tranche-1 that's available.

I don't know much about technical differences between Tranches, so CMIIW, but is Tranche-2 the one that can be upgraded to Tranche-3?

Thats unclear for me tho, wether its yes or not, there must be something of the fuselahe that need modification also streghten.

This is due to armament, electronic suites, and radar that being installed on Trache 3 are totally different, in other words you can say they are different aircraft with same clothes.


For me, just go with the price to value.
Buy bulk of trache 1 and convert to trache 3, or just use them until falling apart.

I dont care what is it, as long as its no need to purchase another type of armament

 

[Nilgiri]

Rafale, Typhoon, Vipers, Flankers, .

@Nilgiri we are in open competition with Qatar and India on who could collect most fighter models.

At least in India case, its case of downward trend in types, as the many types of Migs are retired.

We are over the hump that was the 80s, 90s, early 2000s...when all migs were in service along with mirage2k, jaguar and sukhoi-30 acquired etc.

 

[San.geuk]

What Opung can bring from US to counter 08's Rafale?
Are you sure they didn't discussed about this already?
Ini, ini, sama ini bagian gw ya..
Lu boleh deh dapatin yang itu sama itu tuh...
Tapi gak usah jegal jatah gua...

while Mr prabs push his agenda on airforce, opung push his part on navy,
it will be problematic for logistics, and very unwise decision, perhaps unless the Europe give us access for 6th gen fighter

 

[JATOSINT]

The most diverse air force in the world based on fighters country of origin (projection)

1. Indonesia 5 (US, Russia, France, Europe, South Korea)
2. India 4 (Russia, France, UK, India)
3. Qatar 3 (US, France, Europe)
4. Egypt 3 (US, Russia, France)

(light/trainer excluded, Europe means Typhoon)

We are indeed glorious and hilarious.

Chill out, belum ada yg ttd kontrak

 

[Agent_G]

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Sebelum matahari 2021 terbit alias di pengujung tahun 2020 ini, pesawat N219 Nurtanio buatan PT Dirgantara Indonesia (PTDI) diharapkan sudah

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[trishna_amrta]

unless the Europe give us access for 6th gen fighter

Daydreaming at best. One can't give something (anything) that they themselves don't have.

 

[Madokafc]

Luhut is Coordinator Minister for Maritime and Investment, it is very well within his scope to adjust Navy Development and building capacity and Linked them with Global Investment. He got several Investment commitment and realization from Danish in Renewable Source of Electricity project, including large wind propultion like what had been realized in Sulawesi. And now he is trying hard to realized some Japanese Investment on Indonesia Sovereign wealth management funds.

 

[Gundala]

Luhut is Coordinator Minister for Maritime and Investment, it is very well within his scope to adjust Navy Development and building capacity and Linked them with Global Investment. He got several Investment commitment and realization from Danish in Renewable Source of Electricity project, including large wind propultion like what had been realized in Sulawesi. And now he is trying hard to realized some Japanese Investment on Indonesia Sovereign wealth management funds.

This is what others dont see sometime. On top of what Madokafc said there are things such Politics, billateral trade arrangement, etc.

Anyway, for our future Corvette/OPV I personally have a dream that somehow there would be some kind of comittee appointed to design & build locally. It doesnt matter if we ask/buy assistance from overseas but the experience of making original design and implementation of its systems/sub-systems is priceless to the industry.

What happen today is some Kementrian with already tight budget is unwilling to invest on it which is understandable. But we have to start now, we going to need alot of corvette/OPV/ even for our coastguard. Someone must step up and start to mix this plan with on-going Naval development project of our navy.

Submarine is importan as well as KFX/IFX but sometime we are too focus on what we CAN'T do we forgot to enrich the capability of what we CAN do. This project its not as complicated as those two, this should be put on the priority list as well because it will have direct impact and trickle down effect to our Industry capability ,economy and security.

 

[Madokafc]

https://www.instagram.com/tv/CIR8Nq4j48q/?utm_source=ig_web_button_share_sheet

 

[JATOSINT]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335578995962728450

 

[Umigami]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1335578995962728450

Their black elbow protection are completely visible on IR

 

[Umigami]

I'm sorry, is this Indonesia related?