TR Air-Force TF-X KAAN Fighter Jet

[Huelague]

Yeah, but it's not about hitting the temperature only, is it?

China Had all the computer simulations since 2010. After billions of dollars and decades of research they are only reach 4000 hours lifespan with their WS-15 in 2024 so far. While F119 delivered in 1997 has 8000+ hours lifespan.

And what China can not achieved Türkiye can never?

 

[Turkic]

May I remind all our members that it is our number one duty not to make any unsubstantiated claims.

I guess this reminding was for me considering I just made an unsubstantiated claim. All I can say is I'm Fulya Öztürk's liar. You may say journalists are unreliable but I think Fulya is pretty thrustworthy.

 

[Oublious]

Yeah, but it's not about hitting the temperature only, is it?

China Had all the computer simulations since 2010. After billions of dollars and decades of research they are only reach 4000 hours lifespan with their WS-15 in 2024 so far. While F119 delivered in 1997 has 8000+ hours lifespan.

thats not a argument but a comparision, so what is the reason why it wont work?

 

[YeşilVatan]

idk whay are you guys arguing so hard about it. What is the gain? It doesn't even contribute information. It just goes "it will happen" "no it will not". I hope it happens, I really, really do. And maybe it will. For now just be watchful for the news.

For what it's worth, I think we can achieve 2 fleets of somewhat stealthy 'F-15's in 2030, unless a serious problem occurs. And I also think the most problematic part is the political and talent management aspect, not the technical issues or even funding.

 

[Afif]

And what China can not achieved Türkiye can never?

What?

thats not a argument but a comparision, so what is the reason why it wont work?

Yes, it is a comparison to point out that this is not as easy as @Zafer saying. Advanced computers sims doesn't solve all the problems and difficulties.

 

[Heartbang]

Correct me if I'm wrong but I seem to remember that it took a long time for TF6000 to have its first run after assembly was reported to be complete. Any idea why, should you have an idea?

The first run of the TF6K was delayed due to the fact that all the auxiliary equipment to be used in the prototype got sanctioned by the Western companies who were obligated to deliver them. All of those had to be indigenized.
Even with that hiccup, the delay was only a couple of months.

 

[Zafer]

idk whay are you guys arguing so hard about it. What is the gain? It doesn't even contribute information. It just goes "it will happen" "no it will not". I hope it happens, I really, really do. And maybe it will. For now just be watchful for the news.

For what it's worth, I think we can achieve 2 fleets of somewhat stealthy 'F-15's in 2030, unless a serious problem occurs. And I also think the most problematic part is the political and talent management aspect, not the technical issues or even funding.

If it wasn't for the fervent discussion we wouldn't have a new member among us today and we wouldn't hear what news he had to say, like the Kaan engine factory, right.

 

[Zafer]

Yes, it is a comparison to point out that this is not as easy as @Zafer saying. Advanced computers sims doesn't solve all the problems and difficulties.

I have to admit that some of the problems we need to solve as humans and not expect machines to solve them for us. We don't need so many flight hours on the initial incarnation of the TF35k engine, we just need it to be acceptably good like above 2000 hours and it will be a good start.

Some members here probably believe that Americans set foot on the Moon but they can't believe Turks are setting foot on the fighter engine space.

 

[Huelague]

What

The engine.

 

[dBSPL]

We have a handful of good journalists/editors, one or two print and digital magazines, a few online media, and of course a few forums like defencehub, trmilitary, etc. Maybe one or two youtube channels, maybe not... And that's all there is. News ethics, news responsibility and credibility are limited in this circle. Of course, for those who want to learn more deeply, expert comments are also within this area. Unfortunately, when you go beyond this scale, it is a garbage dump. The state of the defense industry media in Turkiye, both in the mainstream media and in the opposition media, is deplorable. There are defense channels with tens of thousands of subscribers on youtube, but there is nothing but imbecilic content and fairy tales. Or there are those who are outright FETÖ apparatuses. Separate parenthesis, there are also ex-soldiers and intelligence officers, mostly Eurasianists, who go around channel after channel with a stick in their hands... These are also a separate case...

For me, the most reliable source is the information that comes from people I know here, whose ethical values I believe in, whose researcher personality I trust, and who are familiar with the details of the phenomenon/project under discussion, sharing the information they have obtained through their efforts and filtering it through their own filters. Not someone who pontificates with a stick on X channel in the mainstream media.

 

[2033]

Our only deficit is the engine.
F-110 is not good enough for a 5th gen fighter jet,all Russian engines are worse.
I still have hope for a RR solution.

There is still no contract signed with the US for the F110 engine. Do you see a risk?

 

[TR_123456]

There is still no contract signed with the US for the F110 engine. Do you see a risk?

No,they know they can only delay so they wont take the risk of alienating our country.
Roles have changed.

 

[Nilgiri]

We have a handful of good journalists/editors, one or two print and digital magazines, a few online media, and of course a few forums like defencehub, trmilitary, etc. Maybe one or two youtube channels, maybe not... And that's all there is. News ethics, news responsibility and credibility are limited in this circle. Of course, for those who want to learn more deeply, expert comments are also within this area. Unfortunately, when you go beyond this scale, it is a garbage dump. The state of the defense industry media in Turkiye, both in the mainstream media and in the opposition media, is deplorable. There are defense channels with tens of thousands of subscribers on youtube, but there is nothing but imbecilic content and fairy tales. Or there are those who are outright FETÖ apparatuses. Separate parenthesis, there are also ex-soldiers and intelligence officers, mostly Eurasianists, who go around channel after channel with a stick in their hands... These are also a separate case...

For me, the most reliable source is the information that comes from people I know here, whose ethical values I believe in, whose researcher personality I trust, and who are familiar with the details of the phenomenon/project under discussion, sharing the information they have obtained through their efforts and filtering it through their own filters. Not someone who pontificates with a stick on X channel in the mainstream media.

Yup exactly.

There is unmatched qualitative distillation that occurs in this forum specifically in its way. I have not seen it anywhere else online as places easily go for quantity trolling and other such things to pump up volume with fluff and any good quality folks present cant really hear themselves think in end or get distracted/wasted in those things.

To get quality you need to have very specific well curated setting.....only then a good ladder of discussion and analysis can be setup and climbed over time.

 

[dBSPL]

Yup exactly.

There is unmatched qualitative distillation that occurs in this forum specifically in its way. I have not seen it anywhere else online as places easily go for quantity trolling and other such things to pump up volume with fluff and any good quality folks present cant really hear themselves think in end or get distracted/wasted in those things.

To get quality you need to have very specific well curated setting.....only then a good ladder of discussion and analysis can be setup and climbed over time.

I have been following Turkish defense forums maybe more than 15 years. I know or can guess most of the members here from two or three previous forums. And I also know the periods when many people, who are now considered experts in the defense industry media today, and who are now editors of important magazines, wrote directly and regularly in these forums. One of my biggest regrets is that we have lost the database of many of these forums. I bet there were not be such detailed forum databases in any language except English. And if it still existed, it would be very valuable to compare our vision at that time with where we are now, anyway...

In the end I would like to say that what you are saying about is a filtration of years. It is a collective legacy. Defencehub's management and its members continues this legacy. As new generations of defense enthusiasts come, they will continue to build on it. So when I want to get information about the defense industry and geopolitical issues, when I want to learn something, this is where I will spend my time for the rest of my life as how I came to point. I also recommend same to everyone around me.

 

[Turkic]

I'm curious about the range of Murad and targeted range for aesa radar of Kaan. Do we know anything about these ? Also what is the estimated range for stealth detection ? What are your predictions if we don't know anything about ?

 

[Afif]

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Chances are, this is nonsense. @Windchime @Chocopie

 

[Heartbang]

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The author is a well-known clown. Do not bother with him.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1762887086070280391

 

[Rodeo]

Chances are, this is nonsense. @Windchime @Chocopie

I know that person, Facelessman(a Korean). He has been shitposting about Turkish programs since forever. He was saying that KAAN is a paper plane and can't be flown because the prototype didn't have a pitot tube attached. A nutjub, really. He shouldn't be taken seriously.

 

[Chocopie]

I know that person, Facelessman(a Korean). He has been shitposting about Turkish programs since forever. He was saying that KAAN is a paper plane and can't be flown because the prototype didn't have a pitot tube attached. A nutjub, really. He shouldn't be taken seriously.

That Faceless Twitter clown isn‘t Korean at all. He‘s apparently from US/Canada & doesn‘t speak Korean besides Google translations.

Totally making up stuff and pulling crap out of his ass, hate posting against Turkish and Indian defense tech. One superb example of his expertise, red circling cable passthroughs as KF-21 weapon bays

 

[Chocopie]

Chances are, this is nonsense. @Windchime @Chocopie

That twit account is unreliable and the person ain‘t Korean.