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[boredaf]

By the end of the procurement programme, there will be more than 10 OPVs.

Are we pivoting away from corvettes for OPVs?

 

[Anmdt]

Are we pivoting away from corvettes for OPVs?

Not quite so, we are still getting 4+ TF2000 and 8 I-Class.

Does that mean replacements are also in consideration as well or additional hulls will be added to Corvette/OPV numbers?

It was an additional batch since the beginning but numbers are updated.

 

[boredaf]

Not quite so, we are still getting 4+ TF2000 and 8 I-Class.

What I meant was, I was expecting us to increase the number of our corvettes, focused primarily on ASW, as 10 seemed like a good number for new OPVs. I'll admit it was just my expectations but still, I'm curious.

Plus, we still have quite a few "Ada"s to name them after

 

[Sanchez]

What I meant was, I was expecting us to increase the number of our corvettes, focused primarily on ASW, as 10 seemed like a good number for new OPVs. I'll admit it was just my expectations but still, I'm curious.

Plus, we still have quite a few "Ada"s to name them after

I don't think navy ever directly mentioned an Ada batch II in the last decade. A littoral ASW corvette with not much to show for ASW equipment was always an interesting prospect. I think we can expect even TF-2000 to be better armed in that regard. I'm really looking forward to Ada MLU/upgrade.

 

[boredaf]

I don't think navy ever directly mentioned an Ada batch II in the last decade. A littoral ASW corvette with not much to show for ASW equipment was always an interesting prospect. I think we can expect even TF-2000 to be better armed in that regard. I'm really looking forward to Ada MLU/upgrade.

That's why I said primarily focused on ASW, we have much more experience and domestic systems now. But as you said, it wasn't mentioned, just my hope as I think we need platforms that are dedicated to, or at least with primary focus on, detecting and engaging submarines.

 

[zio]

That's why I said primarily focused on ASW, we have much more experience and domestic systems now. But as you said, it wasn't mentioned, just my hope as I think we need platforms that are dedicated to, or at least with primary focus on, detecting and engaging submarines.

Hisar class is dedicated ASW OPV,its cilent with electric motor,and cilent propeller,Düfas,hızır,hull mounted sonar,ASW heli,lightweight torpedo.

 

[Sanchez]

Hisar class is dedicated ASW OPV,its cilent with electric motor,Düfas,hızır,hull mounted sonar,ASW heli,lightweight torpedo.

Is Hisar Class an OPV or an ASW ship, can't really have both. Really doubt half of those will be part of the regular load. We will have 10+ Hisars. People really should adjust their expectations for its armament. Maybe 1-2 ASW variant, sure. No way all ships get that loadout.

 

[boredaf]

Hisar class is dedicated ASW OPV,its cilent with electric motor,Düfas,hızır,hull mounted sonar,ASW heli,lightweight torpedo.

Hisar also has 4 diesel motors mate. And while it does have some ASW capability, it is not a dedicated platform. Also, where did you see the torpedo claim? ASFAT doesn't mention it at all.

 

[Yasar_TR]

What are the basic prerequisites of an ASW ship?

Number 1 prerequisite should be a very good sonar system. You need to recognise your enemy and target before you can take measures to counter it.
A towed array sonar like Captas-4, will potentially recognise a submarine faraway, well before that submarine is in range for torpedo launch. HIZIR-LFAS needs to be of the same caliber.

Number 2 has to be an anti submarine helicopter that can carry a light torpedo like ORCA

It should have ample number of anti submarine torpedoes in it’s inventory.
It has to have modern and long range depth charge delivery capability.
It also needs to have a modern decoy system like ZOKA.
Capability to launch naval mines.
A high quality anti submarine missile like ASROC VLA missiles

Of course a ship like that has to have electronics that would support all these weapons.

ADA Class corvettes were built specifically for ASW missions. We also have 16 Tuzla Class YTKB ships that are supposed to have extensive ASW capabilities.
How much of the above weaponry do these have I wonder? At the moment many of them , especially Tuzla Class, are like “for but not with” state. So like @Sanchez we are all waiting for ADA MLU.

 

[Saithan]

All the while TCG is not doing anything….

 

[Anmdt]

I recognize when i see National FAC (former TTHB). Although this was an old design.

ARDA - CENK-300N, X band radar - 180 km range.

 

[Pilatino]

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I recognize when i see National FAC (former TTHB). Although this was an old design.

ARDA - CENK-300N, X band radar - 180 km range.

Isn't it a little bit insufficient?

 

[TheInsider]

Isn't it a little bit insufficient?

The given range is against fighter-sized targets (~1m^2)

 

[Pilatino]

The given range is against fighter-sized targets (~1m^2)

I wish I had known the competitors' data's to compare.

 

[UkroTurk]

@Anmdt

This article is accurate?

They are saying

Cenk-100N

Cenk-200N( mar-d)

Cenk-300
Cenk-400

Türkiye's Aselsan unveils advanced radar systems for naval platforms - Türkiye Today

Aselsan introduces next-gen radar systems for naval platforms, enhancing Türkiye's defense capabilities

www.turkiyetoday.com

 

[Sanchez]

This article is accurate?

Türkiye's Aselsan unveils advanced radar systems for naval platforms - Türkiye Today

Aselsan introduces next-gen radar systems for naval platforms, enhancing Türkiye's defense capabilities

www.turkiyetoday.com

It quotes the most recent Aselsan magazine but the photo they used is wrong.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/aselsan_dergi_120_092024.pdf

MAR-D is now Cenk-200N

Arda is Cenk-300N

Cenk is Cenk-400N

All search radars are now called Cenk, fire control radars are Akrep.

 

[Sanchez]

TCG HIZIRREİS Submarine met with the water

And here's the first known photo of the second Reis class boat Hızırreis in a test cruise.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1836416413554090379

 

[Brave Janissary]

It quotes the most recent Aselsan magazine but the photo they used is wrong.

https://wwwcdn.aselsan.com/api/file/aselsan_dergi_120_092024.pdf

MAR-D is now Cenk-200N

Arda is Cenk-300N

Cenk is Cenk-400N

All search radars are now called Cenk, fire control radars are Akrep.

That symbology needs a another caracter for refer to band of radars.

 

[Sanchez]

Finally a new infographic on TF-2000. Details I haven't seen before include, "kamikaze USV, mini UAV launchers, swarm uav" integration, as well as a landing pad for a single 15ton helicopter(so will be able to accommodate T925) and hangar space 2 Seahawk and 2 helicopter UAVs. Start of construction is real soon now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1837107077837103559

 

[Khagan1923]

Finally a new infographic on TF-2000. Details I haven't seen before include, "kamikaze USV, mini UAV launchers, swarm uav" integration, as well as a landing pad for a single 15ton helicopter(so will be able to accommodate T925) and hangar space 2 Seahawk and 2 helicopter UAVs. Start of construction is real soon now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1837107077837103559

Hisar-D, Siper Block 1D and Sapan.

First of all do we know what Sapan now officially even is?
Secondly Block 1D for Siper. What are Block 1A-1C then?

Better look at those 64 Cells in the middle.

@Anmdt also interestingly what ever they had in the last imagine in the middle besides the VLS cells seems to be missing now?

Also looks like first steel cut will happen soon. Though that means nothing as the first cut for TCG Istanbul was done in 2017 and then nothing happened for a while until subsystems were actually ready.