TR Small Aerial Drones & Loitering Ammunitions

[Strong AI]

Güleryüz: Armor-Piercing Warhead Complete, Next is RF Seeker Head

STM General Manager Özgür Güleryüz stated that they are continuously developing KARGU according to the dynamics of the battlefield, adding:

"For some time, we have been working on different payload versions of KARGU. Until now, KARGU has effectively operated in the field with an anti-personnel munitions warhead. Moving forward, it will also affect mobile and stationary ground targets, resilient structures, and armored ground vehicles with an armor-piercing warhead. The personnel can quickly switch from the anti-personnel munitions warhead to the armor-piercing one based on the real-time situation in the field. We have developed a concept that will empower our Mehmetçik, who actively use KARGU in the field. This will also be highly effective in terms of export. Meanwhile, we have nearly completed the integration of the RF (Radio Frequency) Seeker Head, bearing the signature of STM engineers. With the RF Seeker Head, KARGU will be able to detect and destroy enemy radar and electronic warfare systems. We will thus provide our country with a national system that can effectively engage enemy elements at a very reasonable cost."

STM - KARGU'dan Zırh Delici Mühimmat ile Hedefe Tam İsabet

www.stm.com.tr

 

[boredaf]

The personnel can quickly switch from the anti-personnel munitions warhead to the armor-piercing one based on the real-time situation in the field.

I think they also need a thermobaric warhead, I suspect that could be even more effective than claymore against personnel that might have cover or moving.

 

[boredaf]

Okay, STM has updated their Kargu webpage and they give the weight of the warhead as less than 1 kg.

STM - KARGU® - Muharebede Kanıtlanmış Döner Kanatlı Vurucu İHA Sistemi

Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri envanterinde yer alan KARGU® asimetrik harp veya anti-terör alanlarında kullanılmaktadır. Ayrıntılı bilgi için tıklayın.

www.stm.com.tr

Which means that (given that they worked with MKE for Kargu's claymore warhead and 81 mm mortar for their drop drone) they are using M72-LAW (HAR-66 for us) warhead in this. That's 300 mm penetration, so good aim will be crucial.

It also means, I'm guessing, they should be able to use Wasp (anti-personnel) warhead with this, which might be more effective than claymore and make @Kartal1 happy

 

[Sanchez]

they are using M72-LAW

I knew that warhead was too small to be PG-7.

 

[boredaf]

I knew that warhead was too small to be PG-7.

Yeah, that's what made me look it up as well. It is still just my guess, of course.

 

[Kartal1]

HUBSAN Light Bringer EX FPV drone.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846171400584712241

 

[boredaf]

HUBSAN Light Bringer EX FPV drone.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846171400584712241

10 kg? That's more than a Hellfire missile, and possibly Umtas as well. If that is true that is insane amount of explosive power for a small drone.

Does anybody know who they are? I've never heard of them before. This is their website:

HUBSAN TEKNOLOJİ ANONİM ŞİRKETİ - HUBSAN

www.hubsan.com.tr

 

[Kartal1]

10 kg? That's more than a Hellfire missile, and possibly Umtas as well. If that is true that is insane amount of explosive power for a small drone.

Does anybody know who they are? I've never heard of them before. This is their website:

HUBSAN TEKNOLOJİ ANONİM ŞİRKETİ - HUBSAN

www.hubsan.com.tr

I don't know who they are, but if the specs of the drone are true and the drone is cheap then it is a banger. Big payload capacity, AI, easy to manufacture. A perfect solution for our proxies.

 

[Oublious]

HUBSAN Light Bringer EX FPV drone.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846171400584712241

And now order 500000 pieces.

 

[Kaan Azman]

If an additional funding will ever be made, cheap kamikaze UAVs should be among the priority to be honest

 

[boredaf]

I don't know who they are, but if the specs of the drone are true and the drone is cheap then it is a banger. Big payload capacity, AI, easy to manufacture. A perfect solution for our proxies.

I agree, military should thoroughly test this and if their claims are true this is a no brainer, we should order this.

 

[Saithan]

To me it seems like a shell company for something from Germany the German VIES number exists, but could just as well be a French company as their www.hubsan.com website has a shitload of french words...

So take your guess western allies selling us the small stuff, but on political stage rejecting to sell us the big stuff, or that's how they make politics.

 

[boredaf]

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To me it seems like a shell company for something from Germany the German VIES number exists, but could just as well be a French company as their www.hubsan.com website has a shitload of french words...

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So take your guess western allies selling us the small stuff, but on political stage rejecting to sell us the big stuff, or that's how they make politics.

Pipe down on the Western hate and paranoia mate. It is really getting silly.

They are not from any of those countries, they have offices there. If you just scroll down you'd see they are actually a branch of a company based in China. Here is a filing they made with FCC as proof:

https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2AN75HUBSANACE2RX/6881811.pdf

 

[Saithan]

Pipe down on the Western hate and paranoia mate. It is really getting silly.

They are not from any of those countries, they have offices there. If you just scroll down you'd see they are actually a branch of a company based in China. Here is a filing they made with FCC as proof:

https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2AN75HUBSANACE2RX/6881811.pdf

It's not hate. Dissatisfaction that we're or will be importing these instead of making them in enough quantities.

 

[boredaf]

It's not hate. Dissatisfaction that we're or will be importing these instead of making them in enough quantities.

Mate, did you even check the link I posted? We will not be importing them, we will be making them because they also have production in freaking Ostim.

Here is their place on google maps and a video from inside

 

[Saithan]

Mate, did you even check the link I posted? We will not be importing them, we will be making them because they also have production in freaking Ostim.

Here is their place on google maps and a video from inside

I admit I didn't look through the hole website, I was more focused on which countries it lead to.

I could see a lot of CNC, but those are likely for the plastic parts. Are we producing the rotors, engines, chips and remotes as well. Or is that how an assembley line looks ?

 

[Zafer]

Mate, did you even check the link I posted? We will not be importing them, we will be making them because they also have production in freaking Ostim.

Here is their place on google maps and a video from inside

They are making plastic injection parts where they are also making cloth hangers. A drone comes with electrical parts and avionics. Without making them locally there will be no drones to speak of.

 

[boredaf]

drone comes with electrical parts and avionics.

You don't say?

I admit I didn't look through the hole website, I was more focused on which countries it lead to.

I could see a lot of CNC, but those are likely for the plastic parts. Are we producing the rotors, engines, chips and remotes as well. Or is that how an assembley line looks ?

Up until this last video, they seem to be focused on making civilian hobby drones, so it wouldn't be surprising that they sourced some parts from China. But it doesn't really matter because if military actually decides buy their military fpv drone, they can simply put a conditional clause that says your drone has to be %100 domestic or there is no purchase (or something to that effect). These things does not have state of the art electronics/engines/avionics that are hard to produce in the first place.

 

[Kartal1]

TITRA are coming with DELI 2, FPV drone and some unknown little helicopter drone.

 

[Kartal1]

MKE FPV drone family:

SKY UAV 7"

SKY UAV 10"

SKY UAV 15"

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1848662700324237536