TR Small Aerial Drones & Loitering Ammunitions

[boredaf]

Because the target were the persons inside that "foxhole". You can clearly see the fragmentation damage on those mannequins.
That thing is basically just a flying hand grenade.
Or do you have a video, where a kamikaze fpv drone (anti-personnel) does your expected damage?

As I said, a mannequin is a terrible human stand in, it doesn't realistically reflect the damage a human might have suffered in that situation. If you can't properly damage the structure enemy is hiding behind, your shrapnel is not going to harm the enemy, especially since they are not going to stand around like a mannequin.

I do actually, a metric fuck ton of, but unfortunately reddit is broke at this moment. But you can see them on r/combatfootage if you want.

Also, you getting defensive every time someone criticizes something you share or disagrees with your view is really getting old mate. People can have different opinions, get over it.

 

[boredaf]

Is this the Anti-Tank version of KARGU?

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1838583022754365842

I am really not sure. In their catalogue, a picture of this was under the RF seeker version of Kargu but that looks so much like a proper warhead that it confused me.

You can check it out on page 16:

https://www.stm.com.tr/uploads//docs/1706876979_taktik-mini-iha-sistemler.pdf?

 

[boredaf]

On the next page, they depict a tank as a possible target. So maybe this is RF and Anti-Tank in one System.

Could be, they might also don't want to make an RF seeker kamikaze drone as that might make it too expensive, so putting an RPG on it might solve two problems at once.

I quite like the idea btw, not just for anti-armour but it could also work against infantry with even something like the M72 anti-personnel warhead we use, Wasp.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Is this the Anti-Tank version of KARGU?

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I believe this one is the anti radiation one. But I suppose it's possible to replace the projectile with an armour-piercing one.

 

[boredaf]

KARGU, Soon...

Now, this should be good, both against armour and personnel.

 

[boredaf]

Anti-Armor warhead for KARGU

They should've shown the result as well, the video beats its own point without it.

 

[boredaf]

The personnel can quickly switch from the anti-personnel munitions warhead to the armor-piercing one based on the real-time situation in the field.

I think they also need a thermobaric warhead, I suspect that could be even more effective than claymore against personnel that might have cover or moving.

 

[boredaf]

Okay, STM has updated their Kargu webpage and they give the weight of the warhead as less than 1 kg.

STM - KARGU®: Muharebede Kanıtlanmış Vurucu İHA Sistemi

Türk Silahlı Kuvvetleri envanterinde yer alan KARGU® asimetrik harp veya anti-terör alanlarında kullanılmaktadır. Ayrıntılı bilgi için tıklayın.

www.stm.com.tr

Which means that (given that they worked with MKE for Kargu's claymore warhead and 81 mm mortar for their drop drone) they are using M72-LAW (HAR-66 for us) warhead in this. That's 300 mm penetration, so good aim will be crucial.

It also means, I'm guessing, they should be able to use Wasp (anti-personnel) warhead with this, which might be more effective than claymore and make @Kartal1 happy

 

[Sanchez]

they are using M72-LAW

I knew that warhead was too small to be PG-7.

 

[boredaf]

I knew that warhead was too small to be PG-7.

Yeah, that's what made me look it up as well. It is still just my guess, of course.

 

[Kartal1]

HUBSAN Light Bringer EX FPV drone.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846171400584712241

 

[boredaf]

HUBSAN Light Bringer EX FPV drone.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846171400584712241

10 kg? That's more than a Hellfire missile, and possibly Umtas as well. If that is true that is insane amount of explosive power for a small drone.

Does anybody know who they are? I've never heard of them before. This is their website:

HUBSAN TEKNOLOJİ ANONİM ŞİRKETİ - HUBSAN

www.hubsan.com.tr

 

[Kartal1]

10 kg? That's more than a Hellfire missile, and possibly Umtas as well. If that is true that is insane amount of explosive power for a small drone.

Does anybody know who they are? I've never heard of them before. This is their website:

HUBSAN TEKNOLOJİ ANONİM ŞİRKETİ - HUBSAN

www.hubsan.com.tr

I don't know who they are, but if the specs of the drone are true and the drone is cheap then it is a banger. Big payload capacity, AI, easy to manufacture. A perfect solution for our proxies.

 

[Oublious]

HUBSAN Light Bringer EX FPV drone.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1846171400584712241

And now order 500000 pieces.

 

[Kaan Azman]

If an additional funding will ever be made, cheap kamikaze UAVs should be among the priority to be honest

 

[boredaf]

I don't know who they are, but if the specs of the drone are true and the drone is cheap then it is a banger. Big payload capacity, AI, easy to manufacture. A perfect solution for our proxies.

I agree, military should thoroughly test this and if their claims are true this is a no brainer, we should order this.

 

[Saithan]

To me it seems like a shell company for something from Germany the German VIES number exists, but could just as well be a French company as their www.hubsan.com website has a shitload of french words...

So take your guess western allies selling us the small stuff, but on political stage rejecting to sell us the big stuff, or that's how they make politics.

 

[boredaf]

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To me it seems like a shell company for something from Germany the German VIES number exists, but could just as well be a French company as their www.hubsan.com website has a shitload of french words...

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So take your guess western allies selling us the small stuff, but on political stage rejecting to sell us the big stuff, or that's how they make politics.

Pipe down on the Western hate and paranoia mate. It is really getting silly.

They are not from any of those countries, they have offices there. If you just scroll down you'd see they are actually a branch of a company based in China. Here is a filing they made with FCC as proof:

https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2AN75HUBSANACE2RX/6881811.pdf

 

[Saithan]

Pipe down on the Western hate and paranoia mate. It is really getting silly.

They are not from any of those countries, they have offices there. If you just scroll down you'd see they are actually a branch of a company based in China. Here is a filing they made with FCC as proof:

https://fcc.report/FCC-ID/2AN75HUBSANACE2RX/6881811.pdf

It's not hate. Dissatisfaction that we're or will be importing these instead of making them in enough quantities.

 

[boredaf]

It's not hate. Dissatisfaction that we're or will be importing these instead of making them in enough quantities.

Mate, did you even check the link I posted? We will not be importing them, we will be making them because they also have production in freaking Ostim.

Here is their place on google maps and a video from inside