TR Turkish Air Forces|News & Discussion

[Strong AI]

"With the initial payment made for the supply of F-16 Block 70, the contracts have come into effect. Technical discussions continue with U.S. government officials and representatives of the manufacturing company regarding the procurement of the F-16 Block 70 aircraft."

Son dakika: MSB'den F-16 Blok-70 tedariği açıklaması: İmzalar atıldı

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanlığı'ndan gelen son dakika açıklamasına göre; F-16 Blok-70 tedariki kapsamında başlangıç ödemesinin yapılmasıyla birlikte sözleşmeler yürürlüğe girdi.

www.haber7.com

 

[Saithan]

"With the initial payment made for the supply of F-16 Block 70, the contracts have come into effect. Technical discussions continue with U.S. government officials and representatives of the manufacturing company regarding the procurement of the F-16 Block 70 aircraft."

Son dakika: MSB'den F-16 Blok-70 tedariği açıklaması: İmzalar atıldı

Haber 7 - Milli Savunma Bakanlığı'ndan gelen son dakika açıklamasına göre; F-16 Blok-70 tedariki kapsamında başlangıç ödemesinin yapılmasıyla birlikte sözleşmeler yürürlüğe girdi.

www.haber7.com

is it normal to make a "downpayment" before technical discussions ? I thought all that was sorted out before you make a downpayment.

 

[Sanchez]

Still no LOA mention. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851935312353665078

 

[Saithan]

Still no LOA mention. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851935312353665078

So they're BS'ing as much as they're worth while omitting Letter of Acceptance ?

Are we the ones going to get the letter or the US ?

 

[Strong AI]

Still no LOA mention. Give me strength.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1851935312353665078

Already signed in June

Türkiye signs letter of offer, acceptance for F-16 jets from US

Türkiye has signed a letter of offer and acceptance for the purchase of F-16 fighter jets from the United States, the U.S. State Department confirmed,...

www.dailysabah.com

And thats why i assume

With the initial payment made for the supply of F-16 Block 70, the contracts have come into effect.

 

[Sanchez]

Already signed in June

Türkiye signs letter of offer, acceptance for F-16 jets from US

Türkiye has signed a letter of offer and acceptance for the purchase of F-16 fighter jets from the United States, the U.S. State Department confirmed,...

www.dailysabah.com

And thats why i assume

I simply don't believe that newspiece. LM didn't announce it for the stock exchange, neither did the US media. I think it's a mistranslation and this is not a done deal yet. Let's see.

 

[Strong AI]

I simply don't believe that newspiece. LM didn't announce it for the stock exchange, neither did the US media. I think it's a mistranslation and this is not a done deal yet. Let's see.

How about this one?

Türkiye signs F-16 LOA

Türkiye has signed a letter of acceptance (LOA) for new and upgraded Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons that were approved earlier in 2024.

www.janes.com

 

[Saithan]

I was thinking the same, but if companies usually announce these things, then I'd very much like to know why they haven't... I do expect foul play.

 

[Sanchez]

How about this one?

Türkiye signs F-16 LOA

Türkiye has signed a letter of acceptance (LOA) for new and upgraded Lockheed Martin F-16 Fighting Falcons that were approved earlier in 2024.

www.janes.com

That is better

I was thinking the same, but if companies usually announce these things, then I'd very much like to know why they haven't... I do expect foul play.

Not necessarily foul play, but at the least, specifics are not yet decided upon. That means longer delivery schedule, which I think is our biggest problem right now.

 

[Sanchez]

Not necessarily foul play, but at the least, specifics are not yet decided upon. That means longer delivery schedule, which I think is our biggest problem right now.

As it was mentioned over the summer, current consensus seems to be lowered number of mod kits, likely to only cover 29 Block 50+s instead of 79.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852468564160401760

 

[hugh]

There is, still, no contract for Hürjet's or KAAN's engines, right?

 

[Ripley]

As it was mentioned over the summer, current consensus seems to be lowered number of mod kits, likely to only cover 29 Block 50+s instead of 79.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1852468564160401760

Okeyyyy. So, are they decreasing number of mod kits to shorten the delivery time? Is that it?

 

[Sanchez]

Okeyyyy. So, are they decreasing number of mod kits to shorten the delivery time? Is that it?

Doubt it, that wouldn't have such an effect.

Might be down to other priorities, to cut costs down to spend it elsewhere, like Eurofighters and Özgür-2.

 

[Strong AI]

Viper is good but Typhoon is better and Özgür is around the corner. I hope TurAF will compensate less Vipers with more Typhoons.

 

[Fairon]

Cutting down the cost aside, Air Force may also want to increase the F-16 numbers that we can customise and use our weapons as well. (With including remaining Block 50+s to Özgür 2 program, if it is possible)

I wonder if 40 new Vipers are still on table? We may want to buy additional Eurofighters instead.

 

[somegoodusername]

Viper is good but Typhoon is better and Özgür is around the corner. I hope TurAF will compensate less Vipers with more Typhoons.

We need both Vipers and Typhoons. TurAF is underplaned currently.

 

[Sanchez]

40 Vipers and 40 EF2000s means 60 aircraft increase after F-4s are retired. That's nearly 25% increase in combat aircraft. Good enough for a stopgap.

 

[Strong AI]

We need both Vipers and Typhoons. TurAF is underplaned currently.

Thats why i wrote

I hope TurAF will compensate less Vipers with more Typhoons.

 

[somegoodusername]

Wasn't the change in the deal we get less upgrade kits, but buy still the same amount of neww F-16 Block 70's? Or did I get it wrong?

 

[Strong AI]

Wasn't the change in the deal we get less upgrade kits, but buy still the same amount of neww F-16 Block 70's? Or did I get it wrong?

AFAIK 79 kits and 40 new ones are the maximum numbers we can buy, the exact numbers are only speculation right now.