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Wouldn't be the first big launcher on a tank or IFV though

Pegasus aa system from South Korea
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TOS-1 from Russia
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This anti-tank system from China
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Maybe that launcher could be used as well, or not. Just a wish as I think having 20 missiles ready to fire on the move would do a lot of good.
How could react the turret rapidly? For naval turret it Needs powerful motor , naval göksur is heavy as hell although TOS like systems rotate slowly.
Look at HisarA and Hisar O launcher, they preferred vertical launcher for quick reaction.

İf there were 4x Bozdoğan, it wouldn't be problem.
 

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How could react the turret rapidly? For naval turret it Needs powerful motor , naval göksur is heavy as hell although TOS like systems rotate slowly.
If this were to be actually done, I'm sure mechanical stuff like that could be solved and I would imagine missile itself would be capable of manoeuvring as well, since these are supposed to give full coverage to a ship, don't they?
 

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If this were to be actually done, I'm sure mechanical stuff like that could be solved and I would imagine missile itself would be capable of manoeuvring as well, since these are supposed to give full coverage to a ship, don't they?
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Gökdoğan and Bozdoğan SAMs could be used on land vehicles like Israeli SPYDER but not with naval launchers that are heavy.

On the other hand Göksur VLS would be okay on trailers/lories if the VLS cost cheap.

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I have another question ❓
According to the photo, Bottom of the cell is open? How does exhausts, flames exit vertically? There must be cover box.
 
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I am wondering if SIPER block 3 can be integrated seamlessly with existing C2 and sensor architecture like block 2 is supposed to be. In this way TUrAF and potential export operators can gain ABM capability just by procuring the interceptor. @TheInsider
 

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I am wondering if SIPER block 3 can be integrated seamlessly with existing C2 and sensor architecture like block 2 is supposed to be. In this way TUrAF and potential export operators can gain ABM capability just by procuring the interceptor. @TheInsider
Will probably need some larger radars than T/EIRS.

what is siper block 3? an ABM?
Proposed Anti Ballistic Missile variant of Siper family with 180+km range.
 

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ALP-600G

And I am damn sure that Siper B2 has more than 150km range, by a lot
Oh yeah. That should be a behemoth.

was that confirmed officially(ABM feature) or is it the logical conclusion of the members?
It was used back to back with ABM feature I believe but haven't been officially confirmed, correct me if so. But, we know that Siper will be tasked with ABM duties, 600-G radar is in development and a 180km+ range with up to 30km altitude missile would be expected to have terminal phase interception ability.
 

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Our ‚beloved‘ expert, Eray Güclüer told, we are testing Siper block 3 with a range of over 300km?

All I am wondering is, what made him stop at 300km? He could have said we are testing Spier Block 3 with over 500km's.(Exceeding S400 range)

Maybe he will next time.
 

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Do we count the effective range or do we count the ballistic range as the Russians do?
1- Russians don't count the ballistic range, you can actually find the diagrams for their missiles

2- Well, Siper B2 is bigger than the SM-6 but also weights less, they claim 240-400km for SM-6 so I don't think that it unreasonable to expect something like this from Siper B2
 

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1- Russians don't count the ballistic range, you can actually find the diagrams for their missiles

2- Well, Siper B2 is bigger than the SM-6 but also weights less, they claim 240-400km for SM-6 so I don't think that it unreasonable to expect something like this from Siper B2
At that point the limitation is the kill chain, that is communication and sensors rather than propulsion. Hisar missiles were also given increased range after seeker improvements.
 

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At that point the limitation is the kill chain, that is communication and sensors rather than propulsion. Hisar missiles were also given increased range after seeker improvements.
Indeed, and that's why ASELSAN is working on new missile seekers (big AESA seeker for Siper B2 and smaller ones for Gökhan and G/M-1)

Also, it is important to note that ASELSAN is currently working on radars with performance or doctrine never seen in TAF before. ALP-600G is a building-radar. (I don't exactly know the terminology, but they are radars as big as buildings, not radars on top of a building but radars being the building itself)

These building-radars are used for satellite and ballistic missile tracking by the US and Russia. Don-2N, Daryal, Dnepr, Voronezh, AN/FPS-85/115/132, LRDR etc.

ALP-500G (mounted on top of a building):
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ALP-600G (building-radar):
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