TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[zio]

Hürjet specs were changed much more improved than before,especially rate of climb,sustained turn rate,and carry load

 

[wolveray1]

In Malaysia's trainer and LCA tender, it was claimed that had Hürjet won it some of the program costs would be paid by barter through giving palm oil to Turkey worth few hundred millions. Unsure if Koreans that won it were given the same deal. Main issue here is our inability of offering financing deals we can offer for our exports actually, not Malaysians exploring the option to pay with bartering other commodities which in itself is fine.

We have been doing the same thing giving palm oil and hard cash for big ticket items.
So whats the problem...Still many countries offer it to sell to Malaysia.
You can just sell it to your country.
We sell a lot of palm oil to Turkey.
If you don't then sell to international market.
So whats the problem...
You are talking about selling a jet which is still on drawing board to our country.
Do you think the Malaysian people will accept it...
There will be a lot of noice if we buy it while The Korean jets have been flying for years and sell to many countries already.
Furthermore,Seems so far we got no problems buying arms with our palm oil from many european,american,russia and others.
Even the FA 50 deal is bought with half paid by palm oil.
Maybe next time when Turkey decided to sell their products to Malaysia they should ask the smart guy in this forun to specified it all in hard cash.
Fortunately the Ada class bought for lms batch 2 are not bought with palm oil..paid all by hard cash

 

[boredaf]

Hürjet specs were changed much more improved than before,especially rate of climb,sustained turn rate,and carry load

Where did you get that from? Because that is not what is on TAI's website.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Hürjet specs were changed much more improved than before,especially rate of climb,sustained turn rate,and carry load

Roles:

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Red aircraft?

 

[Saithan]

We have been doing the same thing giving palm oil and hard cash for big ticket items.
So whats the problem...Still many countries offer it to sell to Malaysia.
You can just sell it to your country.
We sell a lot of palm oil to Turkey.
If you don't then sell to international market.
So whats the problem...
You are talking about selling a jet which is still on drawing board to our country.
Do you think the Malaysian people will accept it...
There will be a lot of noice if we buy it while The Korean jets have been flying for years and sell to many countries already.
Furthermore,Seems so far we got no problems buying arms with our palm oil from many european,american,russia and others.
Even the FA 50 deal is bought with half paid by palm oil.
Maybe next time when Turkey decided to sell their products to Malaysia they should ask the smart guy in this forun to specified it all in hard cash.
Fortunately the Ada class bought for lms batch 2 is not bought with palm oil..paid all by hard cash

You sound a bit insulted, but I have not been able to see any post from MOU with spain that would warrant such reaction.

IMO it's only natural to conduct trades with hard currency especially because you don't have to go out and try to sell bartered product to get your money.

 

[Turkic]

Roles:

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Red aircraft?

The team with the enemy role in trainings are the red team

 

[wolveray1]

You sound a bit insulted, but I have not been able to see any post from MOU with spain that would warrant such reaction.

IMO it's only natural to conduct trades with hard currency especially because you don't have to go out and try to sell bartered product to get your money.

And for us it is natural for to go for WIN-WIN agreement.
You are willing to sell your product to us then you are willing to buy product from us.
If you disagree then it will not be any problem.
Actually its not hard to sell palm oil.
Just ask any big traders who is most likely in his apartment who open a laptop and sell it on commodity market....done..the money in the account while palm oil is shipping from port klang to any of the buyers in this world.
You don't even need to sweat at all.

 

[Turkic]

Hürjet specs were changed much more improved than before,especially rate of climb,sustained turn rate,and carry load

(Image from savunmasanayist.com)
2019 --> 2024
6.5G --> 6.3G sustained turn rate at 15k ft
35,000 fpm --> 48,500 fpm climb rate
1400 nmi --> 1060 nmi range
6k lb --> 7,5k lb payload
19,200 lbf --> 17,700 lbf thrust

2022/2023 --> 2024
5.5G --> 6.3G sustained turn rate at 15k ft
39,000 fpm --> 48,500 fpm climb rate
1200 nmi --> 1060 nmi range
6k lb --> 7,5k lb payload
17,600 lbf --> 17,700 lbf thrust

It says 35m² wing area but it's obviously wrong, it is 25m² accroding to TRT in 2023

It seems like TAI focused on fighter-like performance and compromised on range trough years. Performance values are much closer to JF-17 now.

 

[zio]

Where did you get that from? Because that is not what is on TAI's website.

tusaş original web site pdf format

 

[hugh]

It has the same engine with FA-50 and the same thrust but it has less range, less payload capacity and less speed. Why?

 

[zio]

It has the same engine with FA-50 and the same thrust but it has less range, less payload capacity and less speed. Why?

hürjet range 61nmil more than FA-50,max speed is 0.1 mach less,but rate of climb difference is more important than this,very near to F 16,overall hürjet has more wing area,more agile,better suited for red aircraft role than the FA-50.

 

[hugh]

hürjet range 61nmil more than FA-50

I confused miles and nautical miles.

max speed is 0.1 mach less,but rate of climb difference is more important than this,very near to F 16,overall hürjet has more wing area,more agile,better suited for red aircraft role than the FA-50.

yes but the Korean one can carry 2 tons more payload for the same thrust. that is not a mere detail.

 

[zio]

I confused miles and nautical miles.


yes but the Korean one can carry 2 tons more payload for the same thrust. that is not a mere detail.

We have to wait for clearing of emty weight and Maximum take offf weight of hürjet

 

[dBSPL]

The future variant of Hurjet, referred to as the light combat aircraft, will be subject to significant improvements in this sense, the most important of which, in my opinion, will be the payload capacity. The aircraft will continue to develop both structurally and on the avionics side for a long time. In the long marathon, I can say that the Hürjet will have at least two engine options for potential markets and will become a solution that can meet both light attack and supersonic capable advanced training needs as a common system.

As a LIFT aircraft, the Hürjet will have to enable training with real ammunition and in conditions that simulate a real combat environment. In fact, the Hürjet is a natural end-stage tactical trainer for many NATO main combat fighter jets; only with minor variant changes according to the main combat fleet structures of the user countries. For a generation, two-seat F-5s were the perfect jets for this role. The Hürjet has the potential to take over next decades.

 

[Saithan]

The future variant of Hurjet, referred to as the light combat aircraft, will be subject to significant improvements in this sense, the most important of which, in my opinion, will be the payload capacity. The aircraft will continue to develop both structurally and on the avionics side for a long time. In the long marathon, I can say that the Hürjet will have at least two engine options for potential markets and will become a solution that can meet both light attack and supersonic capable advanced training needs as a common system.

As a LIFT aircraft, the Hürjet will have to enable training with real ammunition and in conditions that simulate a real combat environment. In fact, the Hürjet is a natural end-stage tactical trainer for many NATO main combat fighter jets; only with minor variant changes according to the main combat fleet structures of the user countries. For a generation, two-seat F-5s were the perfect jets for this role. The Hürjet has the potential to take over next decades.

Aren't those conjunctures. Are you saying that with EU countries as potential buyers Hürjet will have an EJ200 variant ?

What if Hürjet is developed further to be able to manage 2-6 UCAV in formation and steer them in to targets ? Would that be a realistic view. Like a megamind close by to ensure strong signal/control over the UAV.

But like it was pointed out, I think succeeding in making a trainer and LCA is/ would be solid proof of what we can do.

 

[YeşilVatan]

Europeans would prefer Russian occupation to the shame -OH SHAME!- of buying a Turkish fighter jet. Germans and the French especially. They would cut a finger or two to spite us.