TR HÜRJET-Advanced Jet Trainer/ Light attack aircraft

[uçuyorum]

It's the same with any country with great past and successes. What's true on the ground however Turkish Spanish defence cooperation over the last decade just kept growing and getting more lucrative for both sides under multiple Spanish governments whether it's left or right. Political will seems to be there for this.

Could be such a great win, hope it happens. Who's to say FCAS won't crash and burn? What will they order then?

Spain can't really afford to buy FCAS, more eurofighters and also replace the harriers with F35B at once. But FCAS won't materialize before 2040, it is a weird position for them. I think they probably will buy F35B though, even if they care about local industry more than others( they still have to replace some 70 F18-A)

 

[Saithan]

But considering Spanish experience with F18 wouldn't they be able to have an easier time optimizing Hürjets structure let's say an improvement and sturdiness of 1-2 tonnes overall. Or are perhaps going for something more out of the box like having Hürjet trainer with minimum addition be able to use UCAVs like wingmen ?

 

[OPTIMUS]

It seems that HÜRJET will receive Spain's tender for advanced jet trainer aircraft. "From 2030 onwards, HÜRJET can be Turkey's export champion.

Austria's tender of the same category has HÜRJET not a little chance due to political reasons.

However, if Spain chooses HÜRJET, HÜRJET will take its place in the Argentina, Brazil and Portuguese air forces.

in Bulgarian and Romanian tenders has HÜRJET little chance for aircraft of the same category due to Germany's political and economic influence in these countries.

It will come as it should come

It's coming.

Engines won't be a problem. In addition, Spanish and Turkish companies can and will work together on engines. I deliberately say Turkish companies...

 

[Ripley]

As pointed by expert members prior posts, this could be more than a huge sale but beginning of a future aviation partnership with a country holding a solid track record. And I’m fine with redeveloping Hurjet according to their requirements, if any.
Spain is a very important European country and they rarely hesitate to choose their friends unlike most of free rider “good boys” of EU.
We should explore every possible option to create partnership with Spain in every field from naval to space after being successful at this project.
A huge milestone passed.

 

[Baryshx]

There is an overwhelming 70% negative opinion on Spanish social media. Of course, some of this is motivated by bigotry, and there is even a minority of idiots who equate us with Russia; ignoring them, the main concern of the rest is not only the Hürjet, but the defense ministry's serial bad decisions that they claim, especially in the field of aviation. Those who are worried about the destruction of their industrial capabilities and those who criticize why they cannot find a solution within Airbus and turn to the Turks seem to be united under the Hürjet news.

Now, Germany and France are serious partners in such matters, sometimes going their own way. Spain also needs to chart its own path. It can build a very good partnership with Turkiye.

Turkiye and Spain are countries dealing with similar problems, which brings them closer to each other.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Spain must go down this path, even if it did not necessarily want to go down this path with Turkey originally. The partnership is of a strategic nature - it should be made clear that we have not made any new friends here in Europe.
Turkey must therefore not make the mistake of placing too much trust in this partnership.
France, together with Greece and Egypt, wants to exert great influence in the Mediterranean and its trade routes, and that is against the interests of Spain, which also has a lot of maritime weight in military and co.
Italy is more or less neutral about this, but Spain is not so enthusiastic about France exerting influence on maritime territories in foreign waters.
The natural consequence of this is that a counterpart is sought, and that is Turkey.
And Turkey must establish a give-and-take relationship with Spain and not allow itself to be ripped off.
If there is a change of government in Spain, all investments could turn into wasted energy and time if their government is then similar in nature to the Northern and Central European states.

 

[what]

Spain has been nothing but a good ally, even when something good happens our people can't stop being negative about it.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

I am not saying that they are bad, I am just saying that you should be careful and not make the same mistakes that were made in Germany with the Altay Tank.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

Spain has been nothing but a good ally, even when something good happens our people can't stop being negative about it.

We have many Negative Nancies and as if those aren't enough, there are a bunch of foreigners adding their shit on as as well

 

[wolveray1]

Yup. I think people should understand this as it is.

This is not a sale of "Hürjet" to Spain. This is Hürjet going international and becoming a European trainer. Spaniards are very well connected to rest of the continent re aerospace and will push it heavily. At this time, there are no advanced European trainer aircraft either in active development or on cards. M-346 is simply not getting orders and it's not set for becoming a true advanced trainer for 21st century to train pilots for F-35, Kaan, FCAS, GCAP etc. Other projects are all cancelled. Noone is waiting for the T-7 which is fraught with issues and US procurement will take at least a decade to come to a level where they will only then actively seek export.

If this succeeds, UK and many other NATO countries will buy Hürjet, its name will probably change to a more Euro sounding name in the process, many American subcomponents on it will be replaced by European and Turkish ones.

From Defence Turkey 134th issue: "According to our sources, within the scope of the Spanish Air and Space Force (SASF)'s next-generation AJT Pogram, In lieu of direct procurement of HÜRJET from Türkiye, it is asserted that an alternative option is under consideration, whereby Spanish companies will also have local technological participation. This collaboration could transform HÜRJET into a next-generation European Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) Project, developed through the partnership of TUSAŞ, Spanish Companies. As a result, HÜRJET could attract further demand from other European countries seeking next-generation AJT."

Tony Osborne seems to see the same potential in this as well. Spain had also signed a deal to buy 25 more EF-2000s for its air force today, ensuring program goes on and necessitates the Germans to place another order as well.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1870112466958475573

For us, this means a steady stream of money flowing into TAI's fixed wing aircraft programs, a greater cooperation with European companies which we already had working relationships in the past through A400M, and we aim to have with the EF-2000 purchase and making sure Hürjet development for TurAF needs are finished as required in time and on budget where we won't see a repeat of Hürkuş and most importantly ensures Hürjet becomes an export success in not 100 units but hundreds of units and is sold to respectable air forces around the world for actual currency and partnerships instead of palm oil.

Do you think palm oil is worthless

 

[Sanchez]

Do you think palm oil is worthless

Hard currency is better, don't you agree?

 

[Saithan]

I don't understand the palm oil reference here.

 

[Sanchez]

I don't understand the palm oil reference here.

In Malaysia's trainer and LCA tender, it was claimed that had Hürjet won it some of the program costs would be paid by barter through giving palm oil to Turkey worth few hundred millions. Unsure if Koreans that won it were given the same deal. Main issue here is our inability of offering financing deals we can offer for our exports actually, not Malaysians exploring the option to pay with bartering other commodities which in itself is fine.

 

[dBSPL]

As Feridun Taşdan and Kozan Erkan underlined, in the variant of Hürjet to be produced for Spain; as lead-in fighter training, many avionic systems on the aircraft , or the placement of control surfaces etc. will need to provide pilots with the closest possible environment to EFs.

This may strengthen Hürjet's position in the LIFT aircraft requirement for the air forces using EFs.

 

[uçuyorum]

As Feridun Taşdan and Kozan Erkan underlined, in the variant of Hürjet to be produced for Spain; as lead-in fighter training, many avionic systems on the aircraft , or the placement of control surfaces etc. will need to provide pilots with the closest possible environment to EFs.

This may strengthen Hürjet's position in the LIFT aircraft requirement for the air forces using EFs.

Didn't watch yet but yeah, makes a lot of sense since we will also have EF soon likely

 

[zio]

Hürjet specs were changed much more improved than before,especially rate of climb,sustained turn rate,and carry load

 

[wolveray1]

In Malaysia's trainer and LCA tender, it was claimed that had Hürjet won it some of the program costs would be paid by barter through giving palm oil to Turkey worth few hundred millions. Unsure if Koreans that won it were given the same deal. Main issue here is our inability of offering financing deals we can offer for our exports actually, not Malaysians exploring the option to pay with bartering other commodities which in itself is fine.

We have been doing the same thing giving palm oil and hard cash for big ticket items.
So whats the problem...Still many countries offer it to sell to Malaysia.
You can just sell it to your country.
We sell a lot of palm oil to Turkey.
If you don't then sell to international market.
So whats the problem...
You are talking about selling a jet which is still on drawing board to our country.
Do you think the Malaysian people will accept it...
There will be a lot of noice if we buy it while The Korean jets have been flying for years and sell to many countries already.
Furthermore,Seems so far we got no problems buying arms with our palm oil from many european,american,russia and others.
Even the FA 50 deal is bought with half paid by palm oil.
Maybe next time when Turkey decided to sell their products to Malaysia they should ask the smart guy in this forun to specified it all in hard cash.
Fortunately the Ada class bought for lms batch 2 are not bought with palm oil..paid all by hard cash

 

[boredaf]

Hürjet specs were changed much more improved than before,especially rate of climb,sustained turn rate,and carry load

Where did you get that from? Because that is not what is on TAI's website.

 

[Fuzuli NL]

Hürjet specs were changed much more improved than before,especially rate of climb,sustained turn rate,and carry load

Roles:

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Red aircraft?

 

[Saithan]

We have been doing the same thing giving palm oil and hard cash for big ticket items.
So whats the problem...Still many countries offer it to sell to Malaysia.
You can just sell it to your country.
We sell a lot of palm oil to Turkey.
If you don't then sell to international market.
So whats the problem...
You are talking about selling a jet which is still on drawing board to our country.
Do you think the Malaysian people will accept it...
There will be a lot of noice if we buy it while The Korean jets have been flying for years and sell to many countries already.
Furthermore,Seems so far we got no problems buying arms with our palm oil from many european,american,russia and others.
Even the FA 50 deal is bought with half paid by palm oil.
Maybe next time when Turkey decided to sell their products to Malaysia they should ask the smart guy in this forun to specified it all in hard cash.
Fortunately the Ada class bought for lms batch 2 is not bought with palm oil..paid all by hard cash

You sound a bit insulted, but I have not been able to see any post from MOU with spain that would warrant such reaction.

IMO it's only natural to conduct trades with hard currency especially because you don't have to go out and try to sell bartered product to get your money.