TR Foreign Policy & Geopolitics

[Ryder]

But we're not really European are we? Anatolia was considered Asia too for centuries.

So why do you care so much if Europe accept us as white/European or whatever?

I feel more connection to Spain/Italy/and some Northern Europe region than say Saudi Arabia that see us Turks as their slaves.

The very same thing you accuse the Europeans of feeling towards Turks the East Asians and Arab nations feel the same too. Like it or not we have no "friends" in Asia.

I said destiny afterall.

Europeans see Turks subhumans by the way which is way worse than the way Saudi Arabians percieve us. Saudis are racist towards anybody even to other Arabs.

But Europeans took it even further with racism by justifying it with science and taking peoples skulls putting them in museums.

Either way Turkiye's foreign policy should be pragmatic we should not be in either bloc.

EU literally tells Turkiye if they want to join the EU they goyta give up on Cyprus. Not to mention they got Cyprus in the EU as a middle finger to Turkiye.

You say we have no friends in Asia. Its the same with Europe by the way.

 

[Ryder]

You guys need to calm down...

Firstly I don't trust the Europeans or Americans. They've backed terrorists and subversive religious organizations in Türkiye for decades.

With that said, the west as a whole is in decline. The good times are over, and whilst quality of life in the west will be superior to most of the world for decades to come, they've reached the limits of their power.

For years NGOs, bought out politicians and lobby groups have been accelerating the decline of the west. They've been pushing LGBT, mass immigration and a number of other malevolent agendas. Now the west is slowly transforming into what the Muslim world has been for the past 50 or so years. You'll see reactionary movements accross the west, and no this won't revive their power, if anything it'll sow the seeds of chaos.

Europe is weak, the US is incapable and hated by most of the world, meanwhile the youth in the west are as a whole sick of Israeli influence in their own countries. They're looking for new partners and Türkiye stands out as the best option. Does this mean we must accommodate them? No. But this "Decolonization Forum" is just stupid and bad PR. It's no different than the people in the US demanding that Türkiye return to the treaty of Sevres.

By the way, if you're saying "Cairo, Riyad, etc. are going to be new centers of technology and culture" I truly question your intelligence. The second oil money is gone a mass exodus will happen, why do you think Saudis and Qataris are snapping up property in Türkiye? Also this obsession with combining Turks, Arabs and Kurds as one is another agenda I'm not fond of, these people are as a whole a burden, they hate Turks, and Arabs in particular see us as "Mawali". I can see deepening cooperation with Syria and Iraq, but they'll back stab as as they've done before.

Türkiye should neither be striving to fit into the west, nor should it be choked by Arabic influence. We have our own unique culture, history and linguistic family, and ultimately we need to carve our own path instead of being foot soliders for Westerners or Arabs.


To some it up, we're low on the list of enemies of the West right now. Hell, Israel and Jewish influence is probably seen as big of a threat as China is. Why the hell are we causing a diversion when all we needed to do is sit back? The posts about this "Decolonization Forum" are going viral, very suspicious.

That decolonisation forum is so pathetic man. As if we are victims.

We are the grandsons of empires and conquerors. We dont need this victimhood mentality bullshit. We never got colonised our ancestors took the fight to Europe.

Akps doctine is the Turkish man burden. That the Turkish man has to burden itself to save others. They have a romanticised view of history. That everybody wants our rule back which is BS.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Suleymancı cult is opening a huge headquarters in Germany with the support of the German government...

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2081270675201839240

Just as I said the west was supporting subversive religious organizations.

What do you have to say @Bogeyman @Zafer @IC3M@N FX ?

Next FETÖ in the making, are you going to support them then say you were against them the whole time and blame opposition for it?

 

[TurkWolf]

You guys need to calm down...

Firstly I don't trust the Europeans or Americans. They've backed terrorists and subversive religious organizations in Türkiye for decades.

With that said, the west as a whole is in decline. The good times are over, and whilst quality of life in the west will be superior to most of the world for decades to come, they've reached the limits of their power.

For years NGOs, bought out politicians and lobby groups have been accelerating the decline of the west. They've been pushing LGBT, mass immigration and a number of other malevolent agendas. Now the west is slowly transforming into what the Muslim world has been for the past 50 or so years. You'll see reactionary movements accross the west, and no this won't revive their power, if anything it'll sow the seeds of chaos.

Europe is weak, the US is incapable and hated by most of the world, meanwhile the youth in the west are as a whole sick of Israeli influence in their own countries. They're looking for new partners and Türkiye stands out as the best option. Does this mean we must accommodate them? No. But this "Decolonization Forum" is just stupid and bad PR. It's no different than the people in the US demanding that Türkiye return to the treaty of Sevres.

By the way, if you're saying "Cairo, Riyad, etc. are going to be new centers of technology and culture" I truly question your intelligence. The second oil money is gone a mass exodus will happen, why do you think Saudis and Qataris are snapping up property in Türkiye? Also this obsession with combining Turks, Arabs and Kurds as one is another agenda I'm not fond of, these people are as a whole a burden, they hate Turks, and Arabs in particular see us as "Mawali". I can see deepening cooperation with Syria and Iraq, but they'll back stab as as they've done before.

Türkiye should neither be striving to fit into the west, nor should it be choked by Arabic influence. We have our own unique culture, history and linguistic family, and ultimately we need to carve our own path instead of being foot soliders for Westerners or Arabs.


To some it up, we're low on the list of enemies of the West right now. Hell, Israel and Jewish influence is probably seen as big of a threat as China is. Why the hell are we causing a diversion when all we needed to do is sit back? The posts about this "Decolonization Forum" are going viral, very suspicious.

If you remove Balkans. Rest of Europe do not even care what goes on in Turkiye. I mean, the Europeans all hate each other too. The Germans/French Italy/France and so on.
But I refuse to believe the whole Europe hate Turks thing. I travel and meet many Europeans not one of them ever treated me differently for being a Turk.
Now the Balkans is different. These people we can never get along with. I don't think their hatred is ever going to change.

 

[TurkWolf]

Europeans see Turks subhumans by the way which is way worse than the way Saudi Arabians percieve us. Saudis are racist towards anybody even to other Arabs.

You sure about that?
When you say Europeans you mean just Greeks right?
Arabs from Saudi to Syria hate all things Turkish because these people were/are servants to the west.
Europeans worry about Turks and at the same time don't want to die fighting Turks. so the next best thing is have good loyal servants like Arabs to hate Turks so they can be honourary white slaves.

Kurds, Arabs, Asians and more. All will do anything to be liked by the westerner. and that is mostly to use their men to fight Turks. Just like in WW1.

And we will never be accepted into EU as we Turks won't accept being cucks.
Won't give up Cyprus. And Azerbaijan will not be harmed.

Anyways point I am trying to make is Europeans don't hate us Turks as much as Asians. And Europeans only get their power from these loyal little servants that're a threat to Turkiye's ambitions.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

If you remove Balkans. Rest of Europe do not even care what goes on in Turkiye. I mean, the Europeans all hate each other too. The Germans/French Italy/France and so on.
But I refuse to believe the whole Europe hate Turks thing. I travel and meet many Europeans not one of them ever treated me differently for being a Turk.
Now the Balkans is different. These people we can never get along with. I don't think their hatred is ever going to change.

Living in Australia, I've never had an issue, if anything reverence and respect. I've seen jabs at Atatürk and even the Ottomans from Arabs living here, and the worst case I've had was a group of Armenians screaming once they found out I was a Turk.

I find Anglo origin Aussies are more concerned about Islam than anything, and when they see terror attacks, sexual assault and other crimes being mostly conducted by Muslims, their perception of them has gone downhill. This is made worse by immigrant crime, a disproportionate amount of crime here is done by Muslim Arab and African youths.

Most Aussies I meet love Turks, Turkish food, they all have at least one Turkish friend and they're quite curious about Türkiye as a whole. The same can't be said about the Arab community here, I'd say most people have a negative perception of them. One interesting thing I've noted is literally every Anglo Aussie I meet hates America and Israel now.

 

[Mis_TR_Like]

Oh and look what I see as soon as I open Instagram.. Nice job darling, you're making us all proud

Truly an expert at giving free propaganda material to our enemies, maybe write a book about your success

 

[TurkWolf]

Oh and look what I see as soon as I open Instagram.. Nice job darling, you're making us all proud

Truly an expert at giving free propaganda material to our enemies, maybe write a book about your success
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Because they hate Turks.

Ataturk/Kemalism
Wish Greeks won
Want to release Apo

 

[Ryder]

Living in Australia, I've never had an issue, if anything reverence and respect. I've seen jabs at Atatürk and even the Ottomans from Arabs living here, and the worst case I've had was a group of Armenians screaming once they found out I was a Turk.

I find Anglo origin Aussies are more concerned about Islam than anything, and when they see terror attacks, sexual assault and other crimes being mostly conducted by Muslims, their perception of them has gone downhill. This is made worse by immigrant crime, a disproportionate amount of crime here is done by Muslim Arab and African youths.

Most Aussies I meet love Turks, Turkish food, they all have at least one Turkish friend and they're quite curious about Türkiye as a whole. The same can't be said about the Arab community here, I'd say most people have a negative perception of them. One interesting thing I've noted is literally every Anglo Aussie I meet hates America and Israel now.

I know right us Muslim Turks get blamed because of those fckwits from the Arab community and the African community.

I'll never forget my Sudanese teacher he said the Turks do a good job in being a community and building mosques. He said I cant say the same for the others he said they are a joke.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Oh and look what I see as soon as I open Instagram.. Nice job darling, you're making us all proud

Truly an expert at giving free propaganda material to our enemies, maybe write a book about your success
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The assumption that the West holds a monopoly on progress, values, and global narrative authority is long outdated. There is no reason for Turkey to unconditionally submit to Western narratives, and criticism of this dominance is entirely legitimate—regardless of who voices it. Neither classical Kemalism nor fundamentalist Islamism offers the country a viable future. Kemalism brought Turkey neither the hoped-for acceptance in the West nor genuine, independent strength. Likewise, a strictly Islamist path modeled on certain Gulf states is incompatible with Turkey’s reality and history.
The future therefore lies in an independent, hybrid path. This approach combines the accelerated development of technological and military sovereignty with a clear commitment to Turkey's historical and religious identity. Turkey is deeply rooted in the Islamic world, and this heritage does not contradict progress; rather, it forms the foundation for a self-assurance that refuses to be dictated to by either the West or the East.
Historically, the Western narrative also requires correction. For centuries, the Ottoman Empire was a global center for astronomy, medicine, and the natural sciences. Fundamental elements of the European Renaissance were built upon the scientific achievements of the Ottoman and Islamic worlds, even if Western historiography later claimed sole authority over them. The decline of the empire was by no means the result of inherent backwardness, but rather the outcome of geopolitical power struggles, targeted divide-and-rule tactics by European powers, and internal corruption.
Today, the task of modern Turkey is certainly not to build a new empire. Instead, it is about bonding with Arab nations as partners through technology, knowledge, and culture, thereby assuming a natural leadership role based on willingness and shared interests. The next strategic step must be the creation of a new, transcontinental security architecture modeled after NATO. Such an alliance should replace ineffective structures like the Arab League and unite key players such as Pakistan, Indonesia, and Malaysia alongside the Turkic states.

That is what she is saying: it is about the power to define the narrative. That is why I don't understand your statement; after all, she explicitly does not say that the West should be rejected, but rather that there is room for multiple cultural centers.

 

[TR_123456]

Guys,lets stay on topic.

 

[Angry Turk !!!]

What Türkiye truly needs is a high TFR of ethnic Anatolian Turks, 1000+ Nukes that can reach any point on earth and energy independence . Forget every other country, Türkiye must be its own power bloc.

 

[BalkanTurk90]

What Türkiye truly needs is a high TFR of ethnic Anatolian Turks, 1000+ Nukes that can reach any point on earth and energy independence . Forget every other country, Türkiye must be its own power bloc.

For Nukes , We should have produced then during cold war era 1970 - 1980 when İsrael & pakistan were developing them , one super tiny country ,other super poor country make them but Türkiye was busy with stupid coups !
Aslo what is security threat for Türkiye is separatism , we should have expellled them to west or middle east and at same time take Turkic central asiatics like uygurs .

 

[TurkWolf]

Today, the task of modern Turkey is certainly not to build a new empire. Instead, it is about bonding with Arab nations as partners through technology, knowledge, and culture, thereby assuming a natural leadership role based on willingness and shared interests.

What is this Arab technology, knowledge and culture?

 

[TR_123456]

What is this Arab technology, knowledge and culture?

He meant our technology knowledge and maybe our culture,the last one i didnt get exactly.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Exactly.......that we assume the leadership role and they become civilized—not through coercion by Europeans.

 

[Sanchez]

Exactly.......that we assume the leadership role and they become civilized—not through coercion by Europeans.

Arabs don't need us to become "civilized". They are richer than us, they use subcontinent workers and western teachers. Noone is giving us a leadership role and we are too poor to assume the said leadership role. Just a big army and a defence sector is not good enough. With Chinese getting bigger and bigger, eating our export shares, we are losing our industry.

 

[TurkWolf]

Exactly.......that we assume the leadership role and they become civilized—not through coercion by Europeans.

why should we care so much about Arabs that see us as slaves? For them every Muslim nation is their servants. While they in return serve the Westerners.
You really think people that see us as slavish will ever want us to have any form of leadership?
Look up what they did to the Ottoman Empire. And not just with T.E Lawrence but before too.

 

[IC3M@N FX]

Yes, they are filthy rich, but they struggle to assert themselves; Turkey could be that voice of self-respect.
The Arab states, too, must summon the courage to prove that they are worth defending, and not betray their allies at every opportunity, as the UAE is so fond of doing.

Although China is a major power, it no longer has any religious or cultural ties that it could actively nurture. It is all about cultural ties. China possesses economic ‘soft power’ and military ‘hard power’, even though it is blessed with a culture dating back millennia, one that even influenced the Turks through the Mongols under Cengiz Han and Kubilay Han and spread as far as present-day Turkey. China is very strongly isolationist; it maintains none of the cultural ties that it really ought to have. This is a grave mistake that will eventually come back to haunt it. China’s partnerships are predominantly economic in nature, and money acts as a binding force in times of peace, not in times of crisis.
If a conflict were to break out in the Pacific, no one would offer political support – apart from North Korea, perhaps, though that is political irrelevant.